Acids vs. wooden furniture

[Gilded]

Hello,

 

I was wondering what sort of acid would be sufficient for going through, let's say, a pine table when you pour like a deciliter on the table? That's an experiment I've always wanted to do, but it seems that a heavily diluted solution of hydrochloric acid just isn't enough.

I wonder if concentrated sulfuric acid is enough? Or perhaps nitric acid?

[budullewraagh]

permanganic works well. not easy to find but easy to make. go to an aquatics store, buy potassium permanganate, then add that slowly to H2SO4 in a 1:2 ratio.

[YT2095]

conc Sulphuric will work, as well as make alot of heat.

 

Chloric or Perchloric will also destroy it, more so than most other acids!

 

you could make a nitrating mix, let is soak in and react, then dry. drop a lit match on it and Whooosh, instant hole

 

 

may I ask WHY you`de want to do this to pine funiture?

 

 

a sack full of termites will do the same (if you`re in no hurry)

[r1dermon]

20oz coke bottle...tin foil, 2 oz muriatic acid....much cooler experiment..

BOOM stand clear though, acid is not good to get on your skin.

muriatic, last i checked, can be found at home depot, 6 bucks for 2 gallons...pretty cheap.

[budullewraagh]

well, yt, i dont think he's going to easily get chloric or perchloric... obviously it's a better oxidizer than permanganate as are all halic and perhalic acids.

 

muriatic is less fun and reacts slower, as is sulfuric.

[YT2095]

I dunno, ever seen conc H2SO4 react with sugar? LOL )

[r1dermon]

reacts slower...precisely, that acts as a sort of imaginary fuse...once the bottle is capped...you've got about 40 seconds, depending on the amount of tin foil, to get the hell away. and it makes plenty of BOOM. heh.

[budullewraagh]

I dunno, ever seen conc H2SO4 react with sugar? LOL )

you know, when i open that car battery of mine i'll make some permanganic and take some pics. i still think the permanganic would work better.

[Gilded]

Mmm... Permanganic acid sounds great. Gotta find myself a car battery first... and some KMnO4, too.

 

And to YT2095: Why? Well, there are just too many wooden chairs and tables lying about; got to do something with them. And for the termites, I've always wanted to see some termites in action but sadly there are no termites in Finland, not even roaches or other fun creatures. You UK/other guys should be happy for your nice, furniture/food destroying insects.

 

Edit: Oh, forgot to ask: I should probably powder the KMnO4 and work in a well ventilated area. Any other safety precautions?

[budullewraagh]

well, the permanganate/sulfuric reaction isn't terribly dangerous. i dont see how any deadly gases could be released. just add the permanganate a bit slowly and you'll be fine.

[budullewraagh]

oh just so you know. i just heard that the reaction i spoke of above yields permanganic anhydride which is [math]Mn_2O_7[/math]

just add water afterwards and you have your acid.

 

be careful; the anhydride detonates into a cloud of ozone which you do not want to breathe in