Physics debuck UFO's do to..

[nec209]

One of the main reasons Physics debuck UFO's is no propulsion exist today that can do the things UFO can do.A UFO that can hover, fly over a city for hours , fly very slow than go at speeds nothing humans have invented that come close to that speed.A UFO that makes no noise or very quiet!! A UFO that cause all electronics to shutt off and cause cars to stop running and planes to shut off.

 

And reports of some UFO crashes where by Physics debuck that advanced Alien race that can go from one star system to other and is millions of years advanced technology would not crash.

 

No propulsion system can do any thing the UFO can do chemical propulsion,ion propulsion ,plasma propulsion ,laser propulsion ,ramjets or nuclear .

 

 

Well fusion ,antimatter,negetive energy,levitation,anti-gravity,element 115 or megnetic propulsion is fringe science.Most Physics say any device that shut down electronics stuff or cause cars to stop running , planes to shut off would have to be a EMP ( Electromagnetic pulse) or a craft running on mono megnetic propulsion.

 

 

To there is mass of UFO landing ,government disclosure, UFO bodies or technology that turn up or a revolution in fringe science UFO will be debuck .

 

I understand shows like UFO hunter or UFO Files make some hot claims and get close to the smoking gun but that put it this way no propulsion we have or know about or working on can do the things the UFO can do.

 

 

The only propulsion that are talk about are fringe science but we have no idea how it works ,what it would do or if is real or not.Or what it is .

 

 

On last note if UFO are real it clearly they are monitoring humans ,controlling ,doing experiments or have sub law of not connecting humans.Has it would make no sense that a alien race would fly in UFO and not connect anyone.

Edited August 11, 2010 by nec209

[J.R.H.]

Easy to understand and great subject matter, interesting points. Don't repeat yourself!

 

Respectfully.

[nec209]

Easy to understand and great subject matter, interesting points. Don't repeat yourself!

 

Respectfully.

 

There is other thread similar to this one.

 

Here ::

 

http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/29820-ufo-gravity-propulsion-theory/

Edited August 11, 2010 by nec209

[Moontanman]

You are making an assumption here that is not valid, all UFOs do not do things that are impossible by what we consider to be laws of physics, (the word is debunk by the way) actually not even most can be said to do do things that are impossible by the laws of physics as we under stand them.

 

BTW, i am using the term UFO by the original definition, an technological object that cannot be explained by conventional means, not anything that is seen and unknown to the observer...

[nec209]

You are making an assumption here that is not valid, all UFOs do not do things that are impossible by what we consider to be laws of physics, (the word is debunk by the way) actually not even most can be said to do do things that are impossible by the laws of physics as we under stand them.

 

BTW, i am using the term UFO by the original definition, an technological object that cannot be explained by conventional means, not anything that is seen and unknown to the observer...

 

 

All propulsion is governed by newton's third law a oject must through mass one way to cause the craft to move the other way .All rockets Ion propulsion , plasma propulsion , laser propulsion , ramjets or nuclear or even chemical propulsion use newton's third law .All propulsion would make a noise and through mass one way to get the craft to move the other way.

 

The claims of UFO using antimatter,negetive energy,levitation,anti-gravity,element 115 or megnetic propulsion is fringe science .Well antimatter is hard to make it needs very fast and costly particle accelerators.NASA does not use antimatter do to it is very very ver very costly and hard to make.It is also hard to control.A antimatter a size of your fist would destroy all of New York city.It will be 100 or 200 years before the technology is there for antimatter.And most likely it will be used in space not earth atmosphere do to it is so not safe and that is only with some amazing technology to lower the cost and production of antimatter in the future.

 

No one nows if negetive energy is real or not. Has for anti-gravity know one really understand gravity and if there is such a thing has anti-gravity. Well magnetic porpulsion is not yet possable has there have NOT been any discovery of any monopole .

 

Levitation, with the exception of superconductive or otherwise magnetic repulsion (used in maglev trains for instance) is pseudoscience.

[Moontanman]

All propulsion is governed by newton's third law a oject must through mass one way to cause the craft to move the other way .All rockets Ion propulsion , plasma propulsion , laser propulsion , ramjets or nuclear or even chemical propulsion use newton's third law .All propulsion would make a noise and through mass one way to get the craft to move the other way.

 

So if a method of propulsion isn't explainable by us it must either be bullshit or violate the laws of physics? 300 years ago a Frisbee would have been inexplicable by the common man who observed it and without realistic understanding would have been assumed a violation of the laws of the universe. I see no reason to assume an unknown means of propulsion violates these laws because we don't know how it works.

 

The real problem here is that even if you just go with inexplicable sightings of UFOs there is still no reason to assume things like anti gravity or some other violation of physics, some do indeed do inexplicable things but a helicopter would have quite inexplicable to science 200 years ago if for no other reason no power source was available to run it.

 

The claims of UFO using antimatter,negetive energy,levitation,anti-gravity,element 115 or megnetic propulsion is fringe science .Well antimatter is hard to make it needs very fast and costly particle accelerators.NASA does not use antimatter do to it is very very ver very costly and hard to make.It is also hard to control.A antimatter a size of your fist would destroy all of New York city.It will be 100 or 200 years before the technology is there for antimatter.And most likely it will be used in space not earth atmosphere do to it is so not safe and that is only with some amazing technology to lower the cost and production of antimatter in the future.

 

Most of this is not even fringe science...

 

 

Levitation, with the exception of superconductive or otherwise magnetic repulsion (used in maglev trains for instance) is pseudoscience.

 

And of course helicopters, airplanes, hover craft, and the things that uses electricity to hover a small platform. Just because we don't understand how it's done doesn't make it impossible. Just because it's quiet or seems to use huge amounts of energy doesn't make it impossible...

Edited August 13, 2010 by Moontanman

[Mr Skeptic]

So if a method of propulsion isn't explainable by us it must either be bullshit or violate the laws of physics?

 

It boils down to an argument from ignorance. However, we are far, far less ignorant than we were 200 years ago. An argument from ignorance works fairly well when there is little we are ignorant of. While it is not definitive proof that these things are impossible, it is definitely enough to make me doubt their existence.

[Moontanman]

It boils down to an argument from ignorance. However, we are far, far less ignorant than we were 200 years ago. An argument from ignorance works fairly well when there is little we are ignorant of. While it is not definitive proof that these things are impossible, it is definitely enough to make me doubt their existence.

 

 

I see no reason to assume that when we see what appears to be a large artificial object floating along silently that anti gravity or some other pseudo science effect is taking place. Of course I don't have the hubris to think we know everything there is to know either and there just might be some tricks of physics we are simply unaware of...

[nec209]

You don't understand.Science is base on the laws of physics at the best of the ability at that time.If you are taking all the scientist in the world to court to explain how a UFO works it is false to say it does not violate the laws of physics has we are too primitive to understand technology and the laws of physics thus it is real propulsion .

 

 

It is wrong to assume it is not possible do to we are too primitive at that time to understand the UFO .It is wrong to assume that if you are person from the middle age transported to the modern world to say it does not violate the laws of physics do to we are too primitive to understand it or it is not possible and magic.A scientist does not make such claims . A scientist with the best of the ability at that time would say there is well forces at work that seem to violate the laws of physics and thus we cannot say it is real or not .A scientist may investigate it or not .That is the what a free country is the scientist can do what ever he or she likes but must show proof of the propulsion system.

 

No scientist will cover the paranormal activity because there is no tool or repeated results to confirm it.The levitation or anti-gravity did not come from UFO claims or UFO investigators but people in basement who claim they invented such devices with no proof.

 

The claims of UFO using element 115 or megnetic propulsion came from UFO investigators of military sources out of area-51. To there is proof of a working propulsion system or government disclosure those propulsion system will be fringe science.

[In2thedeth]

Your also not taking into consideration that the craft could be inter-dimensional. Read through a bit of this:

 

Macroscopic Spacetime Shortcuts in the Manyfold Universe and the Abnormal Gravitomagnetic Fields in Rotating Superconductors

 

Fernando Ernesto Gorjao Henriques de Carvalho e Rego Loup

Faculdades Integradas Anglo Americano - Botafogo - Rio de Janeiro - Brazil(851101667 - 1985)

November 15, 2004

 

http://eprints.soton.ac.uk/13988/1/jhep-corrigido.pdf

[Moontanman]

I know UFOs are not exactly a popular subject here but J. Allen Hynek, toward the end of his career come to the conclusion that inter-dimensional travel had to be considered a real possibility for at least some UFOs...

[dragonstar57]

"A antimatter a size of your fist would destroy all of New York city."

said by nec209

 

 

i'm assuming that this fist size chunk of antimatter is equivalent to 1-2lbs of antimatter

and would then be equivalent to 4-8 Tsar Bombas

or 200-400 megatons which would probably wipe out the entire content of north Americana not just new York city.

Edited August 23, 2010 by cipher510

[DJBruce]

"A antimatter a size of your fist would destroy all of New York city."

said by nec209

 

 

i'm assuming that this fist size chunk of antimatter is equivalent to 1-2lbs of antimatter

and would then be equivalent to 4-8 Tsar Bombas

or 200-400 megatons which would probably wipe out the entire content of north Americana not just new York city.

 

I am fairly certain that your numbers are off. The annihilation to .45 kg of antimatter with .45 kg of matter, assuming all mass is converted to energy, which isn't actually true, would release about [math]8.1*10^{16} J[/math], which is about 19 megatons of TNT. Increasing the amount of antimatter and matter to .9 kg results in [math] 1.62*10^{17} J[/math], which is about 39 megatons of TNT. So even 2 pounds of antimatter would produce less energy than the Tsar Bombas.