infinity ?

[1123581321]

Hi,

 

I have been thinking. It seems to me that infinity (forever) just isn't possible. My reason for this is, couldn't it be that what is perceived as being infinite is actually finite, but the end is beyond perception, thus it appears infinite...

 

something just can't go on forever, because wouldn't it violate physicality of existence, whereby it literally would exceed the very fabric of existence by going on forever.

 

However, i know this brings under the microscope, such things as; that if the universe suddenly began how long has everything been going for etc

[ajb]

I don't think anyone believes that infinity is realised in nature, but it is important in mathematics and mathematical models of nature.

[rigney]

The lazy eight, infinity and co, continuum; are symbols having nothing to do with math or God. Yet, both simply imply, "without end". The lazy eight could have been used to describe both, since each is a continuous pen stroke. No, the guy laid it on its side to confuse us. In drawing the symbol infinity for the first time, did he meant just that, without end? Or was it meant to represent, continuous cycle?

Edited August 6, 2010 by rigney

[Mr Skeptic]

A possible exception is space. Space could very well be infinite, and also infinite space can be much simpler than a finite space because the infinite space can be flat like the Cartesian coordinate system you learned in school.

 

Now that I've learned about limits and calculus, whenever I see an infinite symbol in an equation I automatically replace it with the limit of x as x approaches infinity or a similar appropriate limit.

[rigney]

I don't think anyone believes that infinity is realised in nature, but it is important in mathematics and mathematical models of nature.

 

 

"Math" and I are not the best of friends AJB, but saying infinity is not realized in nature, is a bit steep. Using reletivity, Einstein put the entire world on hold. This, while a new breed go looking for unanswerd questions to his total philosophy. You may even be one of those guys?

Edited August 7, 2010 by rigney

[jackson33]

I don't think anyone believes that infinity is realized in nature, but it is important in mathematics and mathematical models of nature. [/Quote]

 

ajb; Maybe not under current structure, but there may be more than you realize that feel what is today, HAD to have come from something else. That something, whatever you feel it might be, then came from another something, into infinity (an unexplainable beginning point).

 

In my simplistic World, this is basically SSU, regardless what the construct had been (if different) atoms/particles or something material had to have always existed to allow what is today...

 

A possible exception is space. Space could very well be infinite, and also infinite space can be much simpler than a finite space because the infinite space can be flat like the Cartesian coordinate system you learned in school. [/Quote]

 

Skeptic; While agreeing, noting the BBT suggest the U is expanding into a defined "nothingness", why would directional have any influence on infinite space. Should it have different dimensions, were not aware of or what?

 

I have been thinking. It seems to me that infinity (forever) just isn't possible. My reason for this is, couldn't it be that what is perceived as being infinite is actually finite, but the end is beyond perception, thus it appears infinite...[/Quote]

 

rigney; We perceive infinite from the idea that we and all we know or accept the knowing of, as finite. Stars die, Galaxy, even our tiny solar system will die. The problem is, we also know these things are born in a rather consistent order, not realizing they have come from what was, regardless 'what was' actually was.

 

I personally question whether the Universe (everything that exist anywhere) is itself infinite, but in accepting space as an entity*, can imagine a probability, that it might be infinite.

 

*Noun: entity en-ti-tee

 

That which is perceived or known or inferred to have its own distinct existence (living or nonliving)[/Quote]

 

I might also suggest, eternal (infinite) to most people is a religious connotation (reference) that in death, life in some form or manner exist into an eternity. I've tried to console some folks, with the possibility of other realms or dimensions, might exist, however in this existence or reality, it's simply not practical, IMO.

[rigney]

ajb; Maybe not under current structure, but there may be more than you realize that feel what is today, HAD to have come from something else. That something, whatever you feel it might be, then came from another something, into infinity (an unexplainable beginning point).

 

In my simplistic World, this is basically SSU, regardless what the construct had been (if different) atoms/particles or something material had to have always existed to allow what is today...

 

 

 

Skeptic; While agreeing, noting the BBT suggest the U is expanding into a defined "nothingness", why would directional have any influence on infinite space. Should it have different dimensions, were not aware of or what?

 

 

 

rigney; We perceive infinite from the idea that we and all we know or accept the knowing of, as finite. Stars die, Galaxy, even our tiny solar system will die. The problem is, we also know these things are born in a rather consistent order, not realizing they have come from what was, regardless 'what was' actually was.

 

I personally question whether the Universe (everything that exist anywhere) is itself infinite, but in accepting space as an entity*, can imagine a probability, that it might be infinite.

 

 

 

I might also suggest, eternal (infinite) to most people is a religious connotation (reference) that in death, life in some form or manner exist into an eternity. I've tried to console some folks, with the possibility of other realms or dimensions, might exist, however in this existence or reality, it's simply not practical, IMO.

 

 

Somehow religion always gets dragged into the mix. But I simply responded to the fact that infinity, like the universe is something that needs to be studied further before making such a conclusive statement! You and AJB probably know more about math than I will ever remotely comprehend. But the actual study of the one, our universe; is only beginning. To me, I believe it is cyclic; has been here forever and will remain as such.

Edited August 7, 2010 by rigney