jdurg Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 this is indeed true' date=' also there was an extremely high incidence of Jaw cancer amongst these workers just of topic a little, ever wonder where the saying "mad as a hatter" came from? years ago the brims of the tall hats were made with Lead in the middle for the weight and the fit, eventualy the lead poisoning sent them "Mad". quite true![/quote'] I hate to say it, but you are completely incorrect. The "Mad as a hatter" term came from the fact that the chemical used to treat the felt/leather used in hats, way back when, was mercurous nitrate. The felt/leather would be soaked in the mercury compound and then the workers would be able to mold it and form it into a hat. The solution evaporated and the hat retained it's shape. Sadly, all the mercury compounds made them go absolutely crazy. Hence, 'mad as a hatter'. So you were correct on the fact that a heavy metal caused hat makers to go mad, but it was mercury and not lead. With radioactive fallout, you also can't forget about Iodine-131. That stuff will find its way into your thyroid gland and irradiate the hell out of it. Also, plutonium will try and impersonate calcium as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdurg Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 The Romans liked to used lead acetate to sweeten things because it was plentiful, cheap, and easy to use. Sadly, they didn't realize that it was killing them. heh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 it`s called "Sugar of Lead" as a common term, the French used to sweeten wine with it also. here`s one though. the metal alloy called Pewter, it`s a tin/lead alloy and used for making allsorts of things from ornaments to brinking gobblets and jugs, it`s still sold today for that purpose, surely it has to be toxic though? lead and Tin are used in solder, and that comes with warnings. edit: Jdurg, yes you`re quite correct, Mercury was the most common cause as opposed to just lead. "What does "Mad as a Hatter" mean? From David T. Dwyer II: A Hatter is a man that makes hats, hats are made from a wool blend called "felt", the felt is dyed to the desired color. The dyes of the hatters often contained hazardous chemicals such as lead and arsenic. A hatter would absorb these chemicals and over time go mad from using them. From Ralph: In the 19th century, hatters often trembled with palsy and mixed up their speech. This was also a result of absorption of mercury, which was used in the treatment of felt. " taken from: http://www.angelfire.com/ne/UBIPage/quizquestion.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdurg Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 Heh. Yeah, it didn't help that they stored their acidic wines in lead jugs, and in order to combat the tartness of the acid they added "sugar of lead" to it. Hehe. Well, I guess you can do a lot of 'not-so-smart' things when you don't know how dangerous something is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted October 3, 2004 Author Share Posted October 3, 2004 also things like lead used to be used for plumbing. gave loads of people lead poisoning!! but then its easy to say how stupid they are now, at the time it seemed like a great idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_73 Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 possible in the future they might be saying the same things about us, how stupid we were for using such and such who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted October 3, 2004 Author Share Posted October 3, 2004 maybe there will be better solutions, but i dont think that there are things which are unsafe in the way which coal fires and lead plumbing were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 I'm thinking there will be a lot of things. Just think of some of the devices that course the most deaths each year. Cars maybe? Although just look at how far we have come. The safety glass used in windshields used to decapitate people! Let me think... I'll come up with other things. If everybody asked for my advice before doing things then the world would be a much better place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted October 3, 2004 Author Share Posted October 3, 2004 cars are unsafe, but in a different way to lead plumbing. lead plumbing is unsafe because you get lead posioning in your water.... cars are only unsafe when people use them unsafely. "The safety glass used in windshields used to decapitate people!" USED to, now it doesnt, as a civilisation we are slowly becoming more advance and we are finishing off the 'stupid' mistakes of the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted October 5, 2004 Author Share Posted October 5, 2004 just kinda going back to where we started..... what is a peroxide? is it a compound with O2 in it? and a tri-oxide would be a compound with O3 in it... and whats something with O4 in it? e.g. H2SO4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdurg Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 A peroxide is a compound with an -O-O- bond somewhere in it. So Hydrogen Peroxide is H-O-O-H, and an organic peroxide is R-O-O-R(or H). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted October 5, 2004 Author Share Posted October 5, 2004 so then a trioxide has a -O-O-O- bond??? and something like H2SO4 has a -O-O-O-O- bond??? but whats that called? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdurg Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 so then a trioxide has a -O-O-O- bond??? and something like H2SO4 has a -O-O-O-O- bond??? but whats that called? Not really. Trioxide just means that there are three oxygen atoms present. So if you had Uranium Trioxide, UO3, there would be three oxygen atoms attached to the the Uranium atom. In H2SO4, the sulfur atom has four oxygen atoms attached to it, thus creating the SO4(-2) ion. The O-O bond is not very strong, so I cannot even imagine how unstable an -O-O-O-O- bond would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 so then a trioxide has a -O-O-O- bond??? and something like H2SO4 has a -O-O-O-O- bond??? but whats that called? No' date=' only peroxides act like that. go here and scroll all the way down for the Structural formula of H2SO4. Only peroxides have O-O bonds. edit: darnit, jdurg beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted October 5, 2004 Author Share Posted October 5, 2004 and does O4 have a name??? or does it vary, like dioxide and peroxide both have an O2 [e.g. CO2 and H2O2] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 -tetra? I think per- is only used for oxygen. It means "more than". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 ok to clear this up, [math]O_4[/math] doesn't exist Only peroxides have O-O bonds. actually, superoxides and ozonides have O-O bonds as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 persulphates go even further with an SO8, it`s main uses are PCB etching, and get this... Bleaching Hair! that powder stuff they mix the H2O2 with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted October 6, 2004 Author Share Posted October 6, 2004 I think per- is only used for oxygenhow can that be true CO2 is carbon dioxide and H2O2 is hydrogen peroxide both have O2 in. ok to clear this up, O4 doesn't existthen whats H2SO4? you could both be right.... im not sure, just reading your post that was my thoughts, so i asked. persulphates go even further with an SO8, it`s main uses are PCB etching yeah i use that stuff i ever etch PCBs, which i dont often, but did about 2 months ago! useless info i thought i'd add! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 how can that be true CO2 is carbon dioxide and H2O2 is hydrogen peroxide both have O2 in. then whats H2SO4? CO2 is O-C-O, NOT C-O-O. Look at the link I posted. H2SO4 does not have any O-O bonds. He means there is no O-O-O-O. It’s all about the structural formula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 eh, carbon dioxide is O=C=O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 eh, carbon dioxide is O=C=O psh... thats not the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 just clarifying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 actually, i just had an amusing thought. imagine protonating a bunch of dry ice:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted October 9, 2004 Author Share Posted October 9, 2004 i always liked the term "dry ice" because its hard to imagine wet ice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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