Revenge!!!!

[dragonstar57]

I'm not a fanatic trying to demonstrate the physical reality of karma as a type of sub-atomic particle or something.

rofl i hope not because if your you would allot of evidence

 

 

 

 

"if you euthanize someone to save them from their suffering, someone will euthanize you to save you from yours at some point." That way you can simply decide for yourself how you would/will feel about someone euthanizing you, under what conditions, etc.

this is a poor example a better example is if I never steal i wont be stolen from because my not being a thief has decreased the number of thieves in the world. if this were true bad things would not happen to good people

[lemur]

rofl i hope not because if your you would allot of evidence

No, it's just a way to vaguely estimate trends in social patterns; or an alternative to other kinds of morality for people in search of something else.

 

 

this is a poor example a better example is if I never steal i wont be stolen from because my not being a thief has decreased the number of thieves in the world. if this were true bad things would not happen to good people

Well if NO ONE would steal, then how would anyone ever experience theft? If the number of thefts decreased by half, you would generally only have half the risk of having something stolen. Another way to put it is that you'd only have something stolen half as often. So when you do steal, it increases the chances you will have something stolen from you sooner, no? Plus, if other people know that you were victimized by theft, it makes stealing seem that much more normal to them, which could make it easier to make the choice to do it for someone deliberating about whether to or not.

 

When something happens to you that you've never done before, it is interesting to think in terms of karma from past lives. Obviously people are born into situations that influence what will happen to them in life, but what makes a person deserve to be born into one situation and not another? If you believe in reincarnation, there may be some reason for it.

 

 

[dragonstar57]

Well if NO ONE would steal, then how would anyone ever experience theft? If the number of thefts decreased by half, you would generally only have half the risk of having something stolen. Another way to put it is that you'd only have something stolen half as often. So when you do steal, it increases the chances you will have something stolen from you sooner, no? Plus, if other people know that you were victimized by theft, it makes stealing seem that much more normal to them, which could make it easier to make the choice to do it for someone deliberating about whether to or not.

this would be a very low percentage and it would also make it more likely that other people are stolen from. and this individuals reputation might be enough to protect them self from this increase

 

 

When something happens to you that you've never done before, it is interesting to think in terms of karma from past lives. Obviously people are born into situations that influence what will happen to them in life, but what makes a person deserve to be born into one situation and not another? If you believe in reincarnation, there may be some reason for it.

so if your poor and you must steal to survive that will make it so your poor in a future life so you again must steal to survive?

but this thread is about revenge it is not about waiting for karma to catch up with this person and laughing about it.

vengeance is an art that few appreciate but it takes quite a mind to grasp its subtleties.

few get the perfect revenge and perhaps it is not the right course of action for everyone all the time but sometimes...it may be

Edited September 27, 2010 by cipher510

[D H]

Revenge will do nothing to make you feel better and only cause harm to others.

Sometimes, revenge served ice cold can be quite satisfying. We made one of our sons take the bus to school after wrecking one too many cars. Instead of taking the bus he scrounged rides from friends. No friends were available one day. He insisted that I had to pick him up after school. "Take the bus," I said. His response: "Seniors don't ride the bus. You have to pick me up. I can't ride the bus. What do you think I am? A kid?" I told him I couldn't; I had an important meeting that afternoon. "Well cancel it then!"

 

I did cancel it, but for reasons completely unrelated to his pleas. I texted him, informing him that I had canceled my meeting and would pick him up. I could just hear his little wheel churning, thinking "I won". Little did he know ...

 

Knowing that no kid likes to be picked up by some old guy wearing a dress shirt and tie and driving a new car, I went home to change. Put on my lawn mowing pants (torn, faded, orange; downright ugly). A nice worn purple plaid shirt went nicely with it. I was early, and my lawn needed a quick mow. Now I was sweaty, stinky, dirty, and wearing something truly hideous. Time to go.

 

Those stinky, sweaty, dirty clothes and my nice car were an obvious mismatch. The old beater pickup, badly in need of a wash, was just what I needed. Almost. I put some junk in the bed just to make the scene complete. I pulled up to the high school, parked catty-corner, jumped up on the pile of junk and yelled my son's name, loud, and then again.

 

I never saw a kid move so fast. "What are you trying to do? Ruin my life?"

 

"Yes. Do you want me to pick you up tomorrow?"

 

"I'll take the bus."

Edited September 27, 2010 by D H

[lemur]

vengeance is an art that few appreciate but it takes quite a mind to grasp its subtleties.

few get the perfect revenge and perhaps it is not the right course of action for everyone all the time but sometimes...it may be

 

Do you enjoy savoring the subtleties of it when it's you experiencing someone else's vengeance?

[dragonstar57]

Do you enjoy savoring the subtleties of it when it's you experiencing someone else's vengeance?

i don't give others reasons to get revenge on me or at least no one capable of the kind of revenge i'm referring to all the people I offend are dullards

Edited September 27, 2010 by cipher510

[padren]

This is a bit of a late reply, but my best revenge story would be when a friend/coworker of mine posted a flash file on their myspace page that played a very embarrassing drunken voicemail I left another of our friends. I logged into the web server where his flash file was hosted, and replaced it with one of him engaged in coitus (non-explicitly) with a very surprised sheep, so now his own myspace profile proudly displayed his trans-species sexual exploits.

 

We both laughed about it just like we both did about the drunken voicemail, and it was all in good fun. Revenge can be a lot of fun when it's within

, which is one of my favorite pranks of all time.

 

 

As for the darker side of revenge I think people who have trouble "letting go" have less of an issue with the perpetrator, and more with the inability to accept living in a world where someone does something horrible to you and just gets away with it. We have intellectual understandings about the world but emotionally it can be a real challenge to get over. It's also interesting what brings those emotional triggers up. I was almost beaten to death once by three wanna-be gangsters with a baseball bat and while I wanted it dealt with I really didn't have any desire for revenge. I had to dissuade friends who wanted to "teach them golf" and ultimately the key player shot himself in the leg, went to jail, got out, and died that day in a single car accident.

One of the officers actually told me this (I already knew thankfully) when he ran into me at the bar and he just happily broke out into the song "ding dong the witch is dead" which frankly both disgusted me, and unnerved me since there were undoubtedly upset friends of this guy there drinking.

 

Another situation where I really did want to seek revenge, involved a friend of mine who had finally overcome a major medical condition that left her largely immobile for about a year was raped at a party, and the officers didn't do anything about it because the rapist was "vouched for" by a "reliable witness" who happened to be both his friend, and also only "reliable" in that he was a drug dealer that got a lot of arrests by wearing a wire to save his skin a few months before. Aside from the futility of attempting to gain any kind of closure from revenge, my friend was the sort who would probably only end up feeling guilty for whatever happened to the guy.

 

 

Revenge wise, the key trigger for me is when someone tries to physically and forcibly dominate another in a manner that is obtusely unjust in a "well I'm strong and you're not, so I can and will" predatory manner. This extends all the way to using what is "legal" to get away with what clearly isn't right. A client of mine had to shut down his dating website because he received a legal letter (similar tothis onefrom the same company) that by allowing his subscribers to post video, he was in breech of a patent and had to pay what amounts to protection money. The only reason this patent was ever upheld was because the company began only taking on pornographic websites and judges love to rule against internet smut regardless of the justifications, and didn't graduate to attacking non-pornographic websites until after establishing winning precedent.

 

I would still happily take revenge in some legal manner on those patent trolls, and I doubt they could ever be so misguided to believe their intentional targeting of vulnerable (no legal defense fund) businesses is anything other than opportunistic and predatory.

 

Interestingly, I think the key reason I generally didn't into revenge traps was that I always saw the matter as much smaller than the other things I wanted to expend my energies on and thanks to my inflated ego, it generally felt beneath me to waste my time on it.