Mad Mardigan Posted September 12, 2004 Posted September 12, 2004 Don't Arrest Kerry in Shotgun Incident, Gun-Law Expert Says. http://www.gunlaws.com | 10 September 2004 | Alan Korwin Don't Arrest Kerry In Shotgun Incident, Gun-Law Expert Says Gun-law expert Alan Korwin is calling for calm, in the national uproar over John Kerry’s possible serious gun violations during a recent photo op in Racine, West Virginia. The national clamor over the Democratic presidential candidate, who took possession of a Browning semiautomatic shotgun outside his home state, reflects a problem with the laws and should not be used to arrest and prosecute the man, Korwin says. A gun crossing state lines is heavily regulated. "There are so many charges Kerry might face," according to Korwin, who has written seven books on gun laws, including the unabridged, plain-English federal guide, "Gun Laws of America." 1. Taking ownership of the shotgun gift, if he doesn't already have a valid Massachusetts Firearm Identification Card, could subject him to a 2-1/2 year prison term in his home state. Since he has claimed publicly he owns firearms, chances are he has this critical piece of paper, Korwin says. 2. Bringing the firearm back to Massachusetts, if he received it from a private party, would be a federal felony under the 1968 Gun Control Act. (5 years in prison, $5,000 fine, 18 USC §922) 3. The only exemption that would allow him to bring it into his home state requires that he obtained it in a face-to-face transaction with a federal firearms licensed dealer (FFL). A private gift would not qualify. 4. If Kerry did get it from an FFL, he would have had to personally fill out and sign a "4473 form" required by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, before the gift was given, under penalty of federal felony. 5. If Kerry did not personally undergo a "NICS" instant background check before the transfer from an FFL, he would have put the person conducting the transfer in some legal jeopardy, though the law contains a loophole that would probably save Kerry from additional harm (the dealer, not the recipient, suffers from failure to do the NICS check). While gun lobbyists are inflamed that Kerry introduced a law that would outlaw this particular type of sporting shotgun, and gun gifts in general, it is a good thing the law has not passed yet, because then it might be too serious a problem to simply ignore. Korwin says that calls to indict Kerry are premature and "most certainly overkill. John Kerry should receive the same lenient treatment any other citizen deserves when innocently violating these complex and non-intuitive rules." At least give him a chance to explain, Korwin pleads. Unfortunately, federal authorities from BATFE have been known in the past to be inflexible in their enforcement of even minor technical violations (note that none of these felony violations involve a victim or any sort of harm). With widely circulated evidence, in the form of photographs of Kerry in obvious possession of the firearm, he may find himself subject to the long arms of the law. And more importantly, Korwin says, "Some of these laws are just foolish, putting honest citizens at enormous and unjustified risk, and are so complicated that even a presidential candidate and his staff cannot figure them out." I say put him behind bars for a few years. How do you like them apples?
budullewraagh Posted September 12, 2004 Posted September 12, 2004 i say arrest you for being anti-american under the power of the patriot act. how do you like them apples?
Mad Mardigan Posted September 12, 2004 Author Posted September 12, 2004 How am I being anti-american, I was just posting the truth about your hero.
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted September 12, 2004 Posted September 12, 2004 I think it would be funny if he were arrested. Of course, considering his status, I doubt he will be. Would you arrest a presidential candidate?
Mad Mardigan Posted September 12, 2004 Author Posted September 12, 2004 He cosponserd a bill banning the guns shown here. So yes, arrest him for violating laws he pushes.
bloodhound Posted September 12, 2004 Posted September 12, 2004 bush should be arested for drinking under influence
-Demosthenes- Posted September 12, 2004 Posted September 12, 2004 Maybe someone should get punished for falling out of a boat and getting a medal.
budullewraagh Posted September 12, 2004 Posted September 12, 2004 maybe somebody should be punished for treason
Mad Mardigan Posted September 12, 2004 Author Posted September 12, 2004 i say arrest you for being anti-american under the power of the patriot act. how do you like them apples? Well then arrest Kerry for that for protesting the war.
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted September 12, 2004 Posted September 12, 2004 And why can't I find any other stories about it? I tried google news, cnn, and fox and none of them had it.
Mad Mardigan Posted September 12, 2004 Author Posted September 12, 2004 Link to story http://7am.com/cgi-bin/catwire.cgi?POLITICS_1000_2004090801.htm Talks about him accepting the gun, the above article is what he could face as discussed in various places.
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted September 12, 2004 Posted September 12, 2004 That article doesn't say he violated any laws. Where's the ORIGINAL article? edit: Never mind, I found it. But there is no "national uproar," it's not even on CNN.
Mad Mardigan Posted September 12, 2004 Author Posted September 12, 2004 That article doesn't say he violated any laws. Where's the ORIGINAL article? edit: Never mind' date=' I found it. But there is no "national uproar," it's not even on CNN.[/quote'] Guess you didnt pay attention to what I said, the link is where accepted the gun, and the above is what he could face for doing it.
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted September 12, 2004 Posted September 12, 2004 I said I found it. Now I want to know why CNN and Fox haven't picked it up. For something like this they should.
-Demosthenes- Posted September 12, 2004 Posted September 12, 2004 Actually I doubt most of the article. Mostly he just gave people a chance for people to embarress themselves by saying stuff out of the blue (me included ) that apparantly had nothing to do with the thread ;P: bush should be arested for drinking under influence Maybe someone should get punished for falling out of a boat and getting a medal. maybe somebody should be punished for treason btw, what does that even mean? what are you refering to? Who told you about this site and where do they live so I can destroy them. Well then arrest Kerry for that for protesting the war.
Mad Mardigan Posted September 12, 2004 Author Posted September 12, 2004 btw' date=' what does that even mean? what are you refering to? Who told you about this site and where do they live so I can destroy them.[/quote'] I was looking for an answer to a question and stumbled upon this site. Then noticed that people where actually supporting Kerry (besides socialist) on other forums.
Mad Mardigan Posted September 12, 2004 Author Posted September 12, 2004 Do your part in fighting crime. Report Illegal Firearms Activity: 1-800-ATF-GUNS (1-800-283-4867)
-Demosthenes- Posted September 12, 2004 Posted September 12, 2004 I was looking for an answer to a question and stumbled upon this site. Then noticed that people where actually supporting Kerry (besides socialist) on other forums. Sorry, I wasnt' talking about you I was talking aobut this post. maybe somebody should be punished for treason
Mad Mardigan Posted September 12, 2004 Author Posted September 12, 2004 Sorry, I wasnt' talking about you I was talking aobut this post. No offense taken.
budullewraagh Posted September 12, 2004 Posted September 12, 2004 btw, what does that even mean? what are you refering to? Who told you about this site and where do they live so I can destroy them. STOP THE HATE. if you say kerry should be arrested for some stupid lack of reason, i can surely make a case of treason against bush. i found this site on my own, just so you know. END THE FLAMES
Mad Mardigan Posted September 12, 2004 Author Posted September 12, 2004 STOP THE HATE. if you say kerry should be arrested for some stupid lack of reason, i can surely make a case of treason against bush. i found this site on my own, just so you know. END THE FLAMES That some stupid lack of reason is part of what Kerry votes for and supports.
budullewraagh Posted September 12, 2004 Posted September 12, 2004 sorry, but a bush supporter has no right to say that
Mad Mardigan Posted September 12, 2004 Author Posted September 12, 2004 sorry, but a bush supporter has no right to say that Sorry if the truth hurts.
budullewraagh Posted September 13, 2004 Posted September 13, 2004 apparently it doesn't make the shameless shameful
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted September 13, 2004 Posted September 13, 2004 I don't see what's so bad about it. Is he exempt from gun laws? Should he be?
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