Evolution has never been observed

[14darryl14]

And actually, Hittler was more influenced by the Bible (he was born a Jew and converted to Christianity), he was no Athiest.

 

You are walking on dangerous ground here my friend. You need to be careful what you say. Please read actually everything i have written here, and you will see how wrong you have been.

 

I am half german and my grandparents were killed in germany becuase they were jehovah witness's. When Hitler was in power he closed down every single church in Berlin. Two other Christian denominations the mormons and the christadelphians which were first introduced to germany in that era were refused to be built. The Christians were persecuted catholics and protestants were put into slave camps and most of them starved to death, at the famous Hitlers book burning events, bibles were burnt. Hitler was an atheist and a stuanch opposer of Christianity. People usually mention the jewish people who were killed by nazism but the fact is up too 3 million other people (over 100,000 christians) were killed, abused and forced out of germany. Please do not deny these evil crimes, they happened.

 

Hitler was well read in Darwins work. He was a strong evolutionist. Seeing the aryan race as the highest evolved with all the others are inferior. Hitler was also influenced by Nietzsche views on the "superman" and Nietzsche strong atheism - Which he quoted throughout his works.

In Mein Kampf, Hitler used the German word for evolution (Entwicklung) many times, citing "lower human types." He criticized the Jews for bringing "Negroes into the Rhineland" with the aim of "ruining the white race by the necessarily resulting ization." He spoke of "Monstrosities halfway between man and ape" and lamented the fact of Christians going to "Central Africa" to set up "Negro missions," resulting in the turning of "healthy . . . human beings into a rotten brood of s." In his chapter entitled "Nation and Race," he said, "The stronger must dominate and not blend with the weaker, thus sacrificing his own greatness. Only the born weakling can view this as cruel, but he, after all, is only a weak and limited man; for if this law did not prevail, any conceivable higher development (Hoherentwicklung) of organic living beings would be unthinkable." A few pages later, he said, "Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live."

 

Instead of letting chance factors dominate reproduction decisions, Hitler proposed that the scientists use the power of the state to influence these decisions so that the gene pool would shift to what "informed conclusions" concluded was the desired direction. Consequently, Hitler encouraged those individuals that he perceived as having Aryan traits to mate, and discouraged "interbreeding," supposing that this policy would gradually cause the Aryan race to evolve "upward". He believed that the Nazi race programs would further evolution by intelligently deciding which traits were not beneficial, and preventing those with them from reproducing.

 

"From the 'Preservation of favored races in the struggle for life' [that is, Darwin 's subtitle to Origin of Species] it was a short step to the preservation of favored individuals, classes or nations - and from their preservation to their glorification . . . Thus, it has become a portmunteau of nationalism, imperialism, militarism, and dictatorship, of the cults of the hero, the superman, and the master race . . . recent expressions of this philosophy, such as Mein Kampf are, unhappily, too familiar to require exposition here."

 

Sir Arthur Keith was a British anthropologist, an atheistic evolutionist and an anti-Nazi, but he drew this chilling conclusion:

 

'The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.'

 

Hitler may in public speeches and writings (and Mein Kampf was a bestseller meant for mass consumption) have claimed to be doing the will of God, but records of his private conversations show otherwise. Many of these were recorded by his secretary (under Martin Bormann) and published in a book called "Hitler's Table Talk" (Adolf Hitler, London, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 1953)( Trevor-Rove, who was given exclusive access to Nazi documents by the British government, including Goebbel's diary). These are far more likely to reflect Hitler's TRUE beliefs regarding his hatred of Christianity, than the speeches he gave for public consumption, as the Hitler-defenders and apologists know. NO politician then, and none now, could possibly be elected if he openly admitted to being a Christian-hater. Hitler made his public pronouncements accordingly, the same as he did regarding socialism, then the most powerful and popular party in Germany.

 

All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler at his speeches:

 

Here are a few samples of Hitler's statements on Christianity as recorded by Bormann's secretary (who was well respected by Hitler):

 

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

 

National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things.

 

10th October, 1941, midday:

 

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.

 

14th October, 1941, midday:

 

The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State.

19th October, 1941, night:

 

The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

 

13th December, 1941, midnight:

 

Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease.

 

14th December, 1941, midday:

 

Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics.

 

9th April, 1942, dinner:

 

There is something very unhealthy about Christianity.

 

Some atheists say Hitler used Christianity in his speeches

What did Hitler believe about public statments and propaganda? He tells us:

 

"To whom should propaganda be addressed? … It must be addressed always and exclusively to the masses… The function of propaganda does not lie in the scientific training of the individual, but in calling the masses' attention to certain facts, processes, necessities, etc., whose significance is thus for the first time placed within their field of vision. The whole art consists in doing this so skilfully that everyone will be convinced that the fact is real, the process necessary, the necessity correct, etc. But since propaganda is not and cannot be the necessity in itself … its effect for the most part must be aimed at the emotions and only to a very limited degree at the so-called intellect… it's soundness is to be measured exclusively by its effective result". (Main Kampf, Vol 1, Ch 6 and Ch 12).

 

 

If hitler was a real christian he would not of made such anti christian remarks and he wouldn't of killed 100,000 of Christians.

 

(The conference of German bishops excommunicated all Nazis in 1930 and in the 1932 elections forbade Catholics to vote for a Nazi. A rather strange thing to do to fellow "Christians".)

 

"If it's possible to buy the high dignitaries of the Church with money, let's do it. And if one of them wanted to enjoy his life, and for this purpose put his hand into the till, for the love of Heaven let him be left in peace. The ones we have to fear are the ascetics, with rings under their eyes, and the fanatics.[Table Talk, p. 411]... I'll make these damned parsons feel the power of the state in a way they would never have believed possible. For the moment I am just keeping my eye upon them: if I ever have the slightest suspicion that they are getting dangerous, I will shoot the lot of them. This filthy reptile raises its head whenever there is a sign of weakness in the State, and therefore it must be stamped on. We have no sort of use for a fairy story invented by the Jews. The fate of a few filthy lousy Jews and epileptics is not worth bothering about." "Table Talk" [p. 625].

 

'The evil that is gnawing at our vitals' is our priests, of both creeds. I can't at present give them the answer they've been asking for but...it's all written down in my big book. The time will come when I'll settle my account with them... They'll hear from me all right. I shan't let myself be hampered with judicial scruples.' [Hitler in Feb. 1942, Hitler's Table Talk, p. 304]

 

Although Hitler expressed his hatred of Christianity in private conversations, he also did so by his actions, such as his persecution of Christians both Protestant and Catholic (sent by the thousands to the camps or simply banised or murdered), and his very public thirty-point program for the manifestation of Faith Based Fascism, or Positive Christianity, whichever doublespeak term you prefer for fascist-mangled propaganda-Christianity, in the form of a "National Reich Church". Hitler brought all churches under direct state-control, and made all forms of Christianity "imported into Germany in the ill-omened year 800" illegal (they were to be "exterminated" in the precise language of the program), which deceptively made ALL Christianity illegal except that of Hitler's state-sanctioned neutered replacement. So, Hitler destroyed Christianity in Germany in much the same way he did with labor unions: making all participation in either illegal except in the new monoplies that were their respective exact opposites. The Church was militarized and patriotisized, with all crucifixes, Bibles, and pictures of saints to be removed, and only the Mein Kampf, the swastika, and sword were permitted to remain displayed at the altar. A state-controlled church displaying only the flag and cross whose meaning has been carefully controlled and limited would be a modern-day counterpart. Today's fascists have discovered that removal of the Bible is unnecessary since the evangelicals ceased reading it decades ago.

 

In 1942, Martin Bormann, who at the time was the second-highest ranking member of Germany's National Socialist (Nazi) Party hierarchy, issued a secret memo to Party district leaders to emphasize the fact that "National Socialist and Christian concepts are incompatible." Referring to "the ideological hostility" directed against the Nazi Party by Christians throughout the Reich, Bormann explained that "the Evangelical Church poses us with the same hostility as the Catholic Church" and predicted that in the future "it must be made absolutely impossible for the Church to exercise its old influence" in Germany and wherever else the Swastika flew in triumph.

 

Pure Christianity-- leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics." - Adolf Hitler

 

Please provide any pro-Christian statements that Hitler made in private, as Trevor Roper documented with Hitler's anti-Christian private statements, which reflect his TRUE beliefs.

 

Hitler got into power despite the conference of German bishops excommunicating all Nazis in 1930 and forbidding ALL Catholics to vote for any Nazi in the 1932 elections and thereafter.

 

Nietzsche, Hitler's inspiration as well as the founder of fascism, was a profound anti-theist, as are today's fascists, such as yourself and Hitch. Extreme hatred of Judeo/Christianity, or anti-theism, is the cornerstone of fascism and Nazism, as documented by such works as:

 

"The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany" (William L. Shirer, Simon and Schuster, 1960).

"Hitler's Table Talk" (Adolf Hitler, London, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 1953) also published as "Hitler's Secret Conversations" (New York, Farrar, Straus & Young, 1953).

"Nietzsche, Godfather of Fascism?..." (Golomb & Wistrich, Princeton University Press 2002)

"The Anti-Christ" by Friedrich Nietzsche, H. L. Mencken (translator) (original 1917 - Sharp Press 1999)

The 'Hitler Myth' (Ian Kershaw, Oxford University Press, 1987)

"The Beast Reawakens: Fascism's Resurgence..." (Martin A. Lee,1999).

"Old Nazis, the New Right, and the Republican Party..." (Russ Bellant, South End Press 1991)

"The American Axis: Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh, and the Rise of the Third Reich" by Max Wallace.

"Hitler Speaks" (Hermann Rauschning, London 1939)

"A History of Fascism, 1914-1945" by Stanley G. Payne

"Friedrich Nietzsche" by H. L. Mencken

 

Fascism is not compatible with Christianity. Hitler wanted full control. He rejected any other authority. Facism has always lead to religious deaths.

 

The Fascist spanish Franco killed:

 

6832 preists and religious were murdered. 13 bishops, 4172 priests and seminarians, 2364 male members of religious orders, and 283 nuns.

 

See the article "Religious Persecution, Anticlerical Tradition and Revolution: On Atrocities against the Clergy during the Spanish Civil War" by Julio de la Cueva (Journal of Contemporary History, Vol. 33, No. 3 (Jul., 1998), pp. 355-369)

 

Again, organizations and politicans are best judged by their actions above all else, and criminal organizations such as the Nazis, all fascists, and various other individuals and groups have proven themselves NOT to be Christian, i.e., have failed to follow the teachings of the love Jesus, and thus have proven the greatest crimes to Christianity. Fascism is atheism.

 

"Thus there results the subjection of a number of people under the will, often of only a few persons, a subjection based simply upon the right of the stronger, a right which, as we see in Nature, can be regarded as the sole conceivable right, because it is founded on reason."

—Adolf Hitler

 

Adolf Hitler claims his rightful place as one of the most infamous villains of all time. Children of all ages, and the adults who teach them history, shudder at the deeds done by this criminal. His vicious acts of murder and torture claimed the lives of over six million Jews and over four million other individuals from ethnic groups such as the Poles and gypsies. Gruesome gas chambers, concentration camps, heinous human experiments, heartless starvation, and forced labor are but a few of the images that come to mind upon hearing the name—Adolf Hitler.

 

One question immediately presents itself to anyone considering Hitler's actions: Why? What would allow a man to think that such acts of injustice could ever be justified? The answer, simply put, is the theory of evolution. Hitler believed that the Aryan race was superior to all other races. He believed that this superior Aryan race had the right to exterminate all inferior races since, according to evolution, the "natural order of things" is for the strong to survive. To use the words of Charles Darwin, Hitler viewed his murderous plans as nothing more than "the preservation of favored races in the struggle for life." One writer said this about Hitler:

 

A review of the writings of Hitler and contemporary German biologists finds that Darwin's theory and writings had a major influence on Nazi policies…. In the formation of his racial policies, [Hitler] relied heavily upon the Darwinian evolution model, especially the elaborations by Spencer and Haeckel. They culminated in the "final solution," the extermination of approximately six million Jews and four million other people who belonged to what German scientists judged were "inferior races" (Bergman,1992, p. 109).

There can be no doubt, from any serious study of Hitler's life and actions, that the theory of evolution played a major role in his murderous schemes. But, as might be expected, many evolutionists object to this idea. They claim that it was not the theory of evolution that perverted Hitler, but Hitler who perverted the theory of evolution.

 

The problem with this line of thinking is that Hitler did not pervert, or even alter, the theory of evolution in order to use it to support his deeds. He followed it to its logical conclusion. According to the theory of evolution, nature has no conscience that distinguishes between what is right and what is wrong. Where would it get such an awareness of morals? Such morals certainly could not evolve from lifeless matter. An amoeba could not evolve into a human that can know the difference between right and wrong. The most evolution could produce would be the idea that "might makes right." When Hitler exterminated approximately 10 million innocent men, women, and children, he acted in complete agreement with the theory of evolution, and in complete disagreement with everything humans know to be right and wrong.

 

Edited November 5, 2010 by 14darryl14

[ydoaPs]

Thus Hittler was actually denying evolution.

IIRC, pro-evolution materials were on Hitler's list of banned materials.

 

http://www.library.arizona.edu/exhibits/burnedbooks/documents.htm#guidelines

 

Guidelines from Die Bücherei 2:6 (1935), p. 279

 

1. The works of traitors, emigrants and authors from foreign countries who believe they can attack and denigrate the new German (H.G. Wells, Rolland).

 

2. The literature of Marxism, Communism and Bolshevism.

 

3. Pacifist literature.

 

4. Literature with liberal, democratic tendencies and attitudes, and writing supporting the Weimar Republic (Rathenau, Heinrich Mann).

 

5. All historical writings whose purpose is to denigrate the origin, the spirit and the culture of the German Volk, or to dissolve the racial and structural order of the Volk, or that denies the force and importance of leading historical figures in favor of egalitarianism and the masses, and which seeks to drag them through the mud (Emil Ludwig).

 

6. Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism (Haeckel).]

 

7. Books that advocate "art" which is decadent, bloodless, or purely constructivist (Grosz, Dix, Bauhaus, Mendelsohn).

 

8. Writings on sexuality and sexual education which serve the egocentric pleasure of the individual and thus, completely destroy the principles of race and Volk (Hirschfeld).

 

9. The decadent, destructive and Volk-damaging writings of "Asphalt and Civilization" literati! (Graf, H. Mann, Stefan Zweig, Wassermann, Franz Blei). [transl. note: a derogatory term for writers dealing with upper middle class urban society].

 

10. Literature by Jewish authors, regardless of the field.

 

11. Popular entertainment literature that depicts life and life's goals in a superficial, unrealistic and sickly sweet manner, based on a bourgeois or upper class view of life.

 

12. Nationalistic and patriotic kitsch in literature (P.O. H�cker!)

 

As for his religious affiliation, any reading of Mein Kampf and his speeches clearly shows he was a deeply religious man. He even had Nazi beltbuckles be religious.

For those who don't know German or enough etymology to figure it out, Gott Mit Uns means God With Us.

Edited November 5, 2010 by ydoaPs

[14darryl14]

IIRC, pro-evolution materials were on Hitler's list of banned materials.

 

You like making up lies do you? What documentation do you have for that? Hitler's favourite book was the orgin of the species.

 

 

In Mein Kampf, Hitler used the German word for evolution (Entwicklung) many times, citing "lower human types." He criticized the Jews for bringing "Negroes into the Rhineland" with the aim of "ruining the white race by the necessarily resulting ization." He spoke of "Monstrosities halfway between man and ape" and lamented the fact of Christians going to "Central Africa" to set up "Negro missions," resulting in the turning of "healthy . . . human beings into a rotten brood of s." In his chapter entitled "Nation and Race," he said, "The stronger must dominate and not blend with the weaker, thus sacrificing his own greatness. Only the born weakling can view this as cruel, but he, after all, is only a weak and limited man; for if this law did not prevail, any conceivable higher development (Hoherentwicklung) of organic living beings would be unthinkable." A few pages later, he said, "Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live."

 

Adolf Hitler - The evolutionist who killed more than 6 million people.

[ydoaPs]

You like making up lies do you? What documentation do you have for that? Hitler's favourite book was the orgin of the species.

Read my post. I even provided a link to a photocopy of the original document. Why would Hitler want to burn his favourite book?

[14darryl14]

The link between Hitler and Darwin:

http://www.yecheadquarters.com/evo_hate.html

[Ophiolite]

The problem with this line of thinking is that Hitler did not pervert, or even alter, the theory of evolution in order to use it to support his deeds. He followed it to its logical conclusion. According to the theory of evolution, nature has no conscience that distinguishes between what is right and what is wrong. Where would it get such an awareness of morals? Such morals certainly could not evolve from lifeless matter. An amoeba could not evolve into a human that can know the difference between right and wrong. The most evolution could produce would be the idea that "might makes right." When Hitler exterminated approximately 10 million innocent men, women, and children, he acted in complete agreement with the theory of evolution, and in complete disagreement with everything humans know to be right and wrong.

 

You are walking on dangerous ground here my friend. You need to be careful what you say. What humans 'know to be right and wrong' they know because of evolution. Evolution has generated the moral sense because in most environments in which humans find themselves cooperation, care for the sick, respect for elders, protection of children, all have significant survival value.

[14darryl14]

Read my post. I even provided a link to a photocopy of the original document. Why would Hitler want to burn his favourite book?

 

During the book burning fairs Adolf Hitler burnt every single book available except his own, he wanted to be the only authority. GSCE history lessons taught this. Adolf Hitler was an evolutionist he believed the aryan race was the highest evolved and that it would would continue to evolve itself into the superman.

 

 

Influenced by Nietszche’s writings and superman creeds, Hitler believed that Christianity was a defective religion, infected by its roots in Jewish thinking. He viewed its teachings of forgiveness, the triumph of the weak, and self-abnegation as anti-evolutionary and saw himself as a messiah replacing God, Hitler saw national socialism as the only religion. He saw himself as ridding the world of a degenerate system of religion and bringing about a new step in evolution with the Aryan master race. He could tolerate no rival religions or sects, either now or in the future. He was tolerant, however, of Buddhism becuase of it's atheistic tolerance to evolutionary ideas but in the progress he killed 6 million people (including over 100,000 christians). You have to be in a serious case of denial if you still think Hitler was a Christian. Most evolutionists admit he was an evolutionist but try and tone it down by saying he was a "social darwinist". Fact is he was influenced by Darwins evolution and carried it out. Evolution responsible for 6 million deaths (something which you don't seem to care about). Hitler killed 1000s of Christians he said "Christianity was for defected brains" please do not link that evil man with Christianity, he was a militant atheist and an evolutionist psychopath.

[Sisyphus]

14darryl14, you've been provided with documentation that that isn't accurate. You have been misinformed.

 

More to the point, what does what Hitler believed have to do with anything? I'm sure he also believed in gravity, and the Nazis certainly used gravity in dropping bombs on London. Does that mean that "gravitationalists" are somehow related to Nazis? Does it mean that gravity doesn't exist? Of course not.

 

Biological evolution is simply a fact. It does not dictate what to do with knowledge of that fact.

[14darryl14]

If you support evolution, then you have to support that the white race is superior to every other race, and that black people are at the same level as gorillas. So i take it you are all racist on this forum? yes?

Most Darwinists in our day claim that Darwin used the expression "By the Preservation of Favored Races" in the subtitle to The Origin of Species only for animals. However, what those who make this claim ignore is what Darwin says about human races in his book.

Darwin claimed that the "fight for survival" also applied between human races. "Favored races" emerged victorious from this struggle. According to Darwin the favored race were the European whites. As for Asian and African races, they had fallen behind in the fight for survival.

At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes … will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.

As we have seen, in his book, The Origin of Species, Darwin saw the natives of Australia and Negroes as being at the same level as gorillas and claimed that these races would disappear. As for the other races which he saw as "inferior," he maintained that it was essential to prevent them multiplying and so for these races to be brought to extinction. So the traces of racism and discrimination which we still come across in our time were approved and lent justification by Darwin in this way.

Darwin's racist side showed its effect in much of his writing and observations. For example, he openly set out his racist prejudices while describing the natives of Tierra del Fuego whom he saw on a long voyage he set out on in 1871. He described the natives as living creatures "wholly nude, submerged in dyes, eating what they find just like wild animals, uncontrolled, cruel to everybody out of their tribe, taking pleasure in torturing their enemies, offering bloody sacrifices, killing their children, ill-treating their wives, full of awkward superstitions". Whereas according to the researcher W. P. Snow, the Tierra del Fuegians were "fine powerful looking fellows; they were very fond of their children; some of their artifacts were ingenious; they recognised some sort of rights over property; and they accepted the authority of several of the oldest women."

As has been seen from these examples Darwin was a complete racist.

From Darwin's Descent of Man:

 

Savages are intermediate states between people and apes:

 

"It has been asserted that the ear of man alone possesses a lobule; but 'a rudiment of it is found in the gorilla' and, as I hear from Prof. Preyer, it is not rarely absent in the negro.

 

"The sense of smell is of the highest importance to the greater number of mammals–to some, as the ruminants, in warning them of danger; to others, as the Carnivora, in finding their prey; to others, again, as the wild boar, for both purposes combined. But the sense of smell is of extremely slight service, if any, even to the dark coloured races of men, in whom it is much more highly developed than in the white and civilised races."

 

Darwinian evolution is inherently a racist philosophy, teaching that different groups or races evolved at different times and rates, so some groups are more like their ape-like ancestors than others.

 

• Before Darwinian evolution was popularized, when most people talked about "races," they were referring to such groups as the "English race," "Irish race," etc.

 

• Robert N. Proctor (Racial Hygiene: Medicine Under the Nazis [1988]) observed: "Prior to Darwin, it was difficult to argue against the Judeo-Christian conception of the unity of man, based on the single creation of Adam and Eve. Darwin 's theory suggested that humans had evolved over hundreds of thousands, even millions of years, and that the races of men had diverged while adapting to the particularities of local conditions. The impact of Darwin's theory was enormous."

 

• Darwin spoke of the "gorilla" and the "Negro" [sic] as occupying evolutionary positions between the "Baboon" and the "civilized races of man" ("Caucasian"); viz: At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time, the anthropomorphous apes ... will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the Negro [sic] or Australian and the gorilla.

 

• Despite his hatred of slavery, Darwin's writings reek with all kinds of contempt for "primitive" people.

 

• Thomas Huxley wrote: "No rational man, cognizant of the facts, believes that the average Negro (sic) is the equal, still less the superior, of the white man. And if this be true, it is simply incredible that, when all his disabilities are removed, and our prognathous relative has a fair field and no favor, as well as no oppressor, he will be able to compete successively with his bigger-brained and smaller-jawed rival, in a contest which is to be carried on by thoughts and not by bites." (Lay Sermons, Addresses, and Reviews, 1871)

 

• Many of the early evolutionists were outspoken racists, and racial inferiority views were assumed to be proven, and thus were less a subject of debate or concern than one today would assume.

 

 

• Sir Francis Galton, founder of the eugenics movement, believed very strongly that intelligence was mainly hereditary. He was also convinced there were profound differences in mental ability between the races. He regarded Negroes as barely human at all.

 

• Robert Chambers in his classic Vestiges of the Natural History of Creation, concluded that Blacks were "at the foot of" the Mongol, the Yellow race between, and Caucasians at the top. Chambers himself taught that the "various races of mankind, are simply . . . stages in the development of the highest or Caucasian type. . ." and that the Blacks were the least developed, and the Caucasians were the highest, most evolved race.

 

• Although support for Darwin's theory was by no means universal, by the 1920s textbooks such as George William Hunter's 1914 Civic Biology that supported the idea that man had evolved from a lower life form, were prevalent in public schools. The message provided fuel to the growing eugenics movement in the United States. It concluded that as man descended from a lower life form, he evolved to varying degrees of accomplishment.

 

 

[ydoaPs]

Adolf Hitler was an evolutionist he believed the aryan race was the highest evolved and that it would would continue to evolve itself into the superman.

That statement is self-contradictory. If he was an 'evolutionist', then he wouldn't believe in something being 'higher evolved'.

 

Most evolutionists admit he was an evolutionist but try and tone it down by saying he was a "social darwinist".

 

Social Darwinism has nothing to do with evolution.

 

All available evidence points to him being a devout Christian who opposed the idea of evolution. Regardless, as it has already been pointed out, what Hitler believed is irrelevant to the truth of evolution.

 

If you support evolution, then you have to support that the white race is superior to every other race, and that black people are at the same level as gorillas.

 

False. So, you don't know what evolution actually says? If you're interested in learning what evolution is, read this Introduction to Evolutionary Biology to see what Evolution actually consists of. I suspect you've fallen victim to misinformation(most of which can be found on this list).

 

 

So i take it you are all racist on this forum? yes?

Ad hom is the lowest form of argumentation and is also against our rules. You might also want to look at our strongly recommended Etiquette guidelines. Edited November 5, 2010 by ydoaPs

[14darryl14]

That statement is self-contradictory. If he was an 'evolutionist', then he wouldn't believe in something being 'higher evolved'.

 

Social Darwinism has nothing to do with evolution.

 

All available evidence points to him being a devout Christian who opposed the idea of evolution. Regardless, as it has already been pointed out, what Hitler believed is irrelevant to the truth of evolution.

 

who are you to make up these lies? HITLER KILLED MY FAMILY MEMBERS JUST FOR BEING CHRISTIAN AND YOUR ON HERE DENYING IT. 100,000 CHRISTIANS KILLED BY HITLER.

 

False. So, you don't know what evolution actually says? If you're interested in learning what evolution is, read this Introduction to Evolutionary Biology to see what Evolution actually consists of. I suspect you've fallen victim to misinformation(most of which can be found on this list).

 

The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.

 

Yes racism. That is what evolution says. Read Darwins works.

[ydoaPs]

[/b][/i]Yes racism. That is what evolution says. Read Darwins works.

Darwinism ≠ Modern Synthesis. Try reading what evolution actually says. I have provided you with resources to become better educated. Please use them.

[14darryl14]

Hitler the hater of Christianity

Hitler may in public speeches and writings (and Mein Kampf was a bestseller meant for mass consumption) have claimed to be doing the will of God, but records of his private conversations show otherwise. Many of these were recorded by his secretary (under Martin Bormann) and published in a book called "Hitler's Table Talk" (Adolf Hitler, London, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 1953)( Trevor-Rove, who was given exclusive access to Nazi documents by the British government, including Goebbel's diary). These are far more likely to reflect Hitler's TRUE beliefs regarding his hatred of Christianity, than the speeches he gave for public consumption, as the Hitler-defenders and apologists know. NO politician then, and none now, could possibly be elected if he openly admitted to being a Christian-hater. Hitler made his public pronouncements accordingly, the same as he did regarding socialism, then the most powerful and popular party in Germany.

 

All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler at his speeches:

 

Here are a few samples of Hitler's statements on Christianity as recorded by Bormann's secretary (who was well respected by Hitler):

 

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

 

National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things.

 

10th October, 1941, midday:

 

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.

 

14th October, 1941, midday:

 

The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State.

 

19th October, 1941, night:

 

The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

 

13th December, 1941, midnight:

 

Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease.

 

14th December, 1941, midday:

 

Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics.

 

9th April, 1942, dinner:

 

There is something very unhealthy about Christianity.

 

[Cap'n Refsmmat]

Hey cabinintheforest, I thought you wanted to be banned. Why'd you decide to come back as 14darryl14? Can't get enough of us?

 

I do notice these things, you know.

[D H]

who are you to make up these lies? HITLER KILLED MY FAMILY MEMBERS JUST FOR BEING CHRISTIAN AND YOUR ON HERE DENYING IT. 100,000 CHRISTIANS KILLED BY HITLER.

Whether Hitler was a devout Christian or hated Christians has nothing to do with evolution, period. Whether Hitler ascribed to evolution or didn't has nothing to do with the validity of evolution. Whether Hitler used evolution to justify his misdeeds has nothing to do with the validity of evolution. Politicians of all ilk try to use science to justify their views and acts. That those views and acts are wrong, sometimes very, very wrong as was the case in Nazi Germany does not necessarily mean that the underlying science was wrong. It just means that the connection between science and their views/acts was wrong.

 

 

Yes racism. That is what evolution says. Read Darwins works.

That might be what Darwin wrote, quoted out of context. The theory of evolution has undergone two, maybe three or more, significant revolutions since Darwin first espoused the concept 150+ years ago. Scientists do not treat Darwin's word as the be-all and end-all of evolution. He was the starting point, not the culmination, of modern biology. You are arguing against a theory that does not exist today. In short, you are using illogic and fallacies.

 

 

 

 

 

[Sisyphus]

If you support evolution, then you have to support that the white race is superior to every other race, and that black people are at the same level as gorillas.

 

Honestly, it sounds like you're the one who is racist.

 

You don't deny that evolution is true. (And it is true.)

You think that evolution means that black people are "at the same level as gorillas." (Nobody who actually understood evolution would say such a thing, but whatever.)

Therefore, you think that black people are at the same level as gorillas.

[A Tripolation]

Hey cabinintheforest, I thought you wanted to be banned. Why'd you decide to come back as 14darryl14? Can't get enough of us?

 

I do notice these things, you know.

 

Similar IP thingymajig? Can you see those types of things?

[Cap'n Refsmmat]

Yes. Identical IPs, actually. I sense Mr. Cabin has an ideological crusade against evolution that he wishes to carry out.

 

You develop a nasty suspicious mind after enough time running a site like this.

[A Tripolation]

He actually just seems like a bored troll. No one's that crazy...

[Sisyphus]

No one's that crazy...

 

So innocent, you are.

[Moontanman]

He asked me for a date....

[DctrZaius]

Hitler was steeped in Christianity from childhood. That's exactly how he justified killing so many people; because you can justify anything in the name of religion. That's why we get terrorism and hideous breaches of human rights in the name of God. No murdering of people can be justified in the NAME of evolution or atheism. Even if you accept natural selection and survival of the fittest as fact, one can never justify murder without religion to tell you that you will be forgiven and still go to heaven. It was Hitler's weird and misconstrued combination of survival of the fittest and thoughts of doing God's work that allowed him to do such disgusting things. How many scientists do you see out there saying that since evolution and survival of the fittest are facts, we should stop allowing all type 1 diabetics to reproduce? etc. The whole field of modern medicine and saving people wouldn't exist if survival of the fittest was the desired occurrence. And interestingly, the majority of people in this field (scientists, doctors etc) wanting to save the incredibly unfit, if you like, accept evolution as a fact.

[D H]

one can never justify murder without religion to tell you that you will be forgiven and still go to heaven.

Stalin made Hitler look like a rank amateur.

 

All of this is completely off-topic regarding the validity of evolution.

 

 

 

[DctrZaius]

 

All of this is completely off-topic regarding the validity of evolution.

 

 

 

 

 

I agree, someone needs to block that troll who keeps using the word 'evolutionist'. Evolution is a fact, end of story. We've provided heaps of links to evidence and examples yet he still keeps on trolling. It's an annoyance.

 

Stalin made Hitler look like a rank amateur.

 

 

 

 

Stalin (and Mao) derived 'morality' from communism, which they followed strictly. Just because they happened to not believe in any God doesn't implicate the rest of atheism as finding communism morally acceptable. Just as one Catholic priest being a pedophile doesn't mean that all Catholics think pedophilia is morally acceptable.

[cypress]

I agree, someone needs to block that troll who keeps using the word 'evolutionist'. Evolution is a fact, end of story. We've provided heaps of links to evidence and examples yet he still keeps on trolling. It's an annoyance.

 

While this troll uses extremely poor arguments, he is correct when when by evolution one means the idea that known and observed evolutionary process operating today account for all biological diversity. It is far from established that this is the case.

 

Stalin (and Mao) derived 'morality' from communism, which they followed strictly. Just because they happened to not believe in any God doesn't implicate the rest of atheism as finding communism morally acceptable. Just as one Catholic priest being a pedophile doesn't mean that all Catholics think pedophilia is morally acceptable.

 

Hitler used evolutionary theory to justify his belief that the Arian race was superior, whereas Stalin used the same theory to support his belief that those who rejected communism were genetically predisposed to resist communism and therefore he was obligated to isolate them in Gulags lest their genes spread throughout the population. Today, social Darwinism seems to be making a comeback, for example by those who look for the "God Gene".