Could it be? Please try to imagine

[Simpleton]

It is said that, Virtual particles generally appear as matter - antimatter pairs that anniliate shortly after appearing. There is considerable certainty that this happens more often closer to mass. If I understand right, normal matter, the majority of which are atoms, is mostly empty space. Should it not be expected that Virtual particles appear not only more often closer to mass. but regularly appear inside matter, in between the atoms.

Please try to imagine. I my imagination, this is what happens. The collision of a Virtual particle with one of the electrons that fill the empty space around atoms as a probability wave is almost a guaranty. Electrons are always her, there and everywhere. It seams to obvious that, if one electron annihilates with one Virtual particle, the other Virtual particle whould have to become an electron. What would be a noticeable effect?

[IM Egdall]

I think you are describing (at least in part) the Lamb shift. Electrons in atoms "jiggle" due to their interaction with virtual particles. This results in slight energy changes and shifts in spectral lines.

[lemur]

Maybe electrons just have a lot of nervous energy

[Simpleton]

I think you are describing (at least in part) the Lamb shift. Electrons in atoms "jiggle" due to their interaction with virtual particles. This results in slight energy changes and shifts in spectral lines.

Thank you and yes I am aware of the Lamb shift. The comments I feel in need to make are, that virtual photons in the context of the vacuum make a strange virtual particle pair. "If" an equation contains several if(s), only(s), when(s) and the Bore atom it should at least be considered a little out of stile. There has to be a close relation between word and number salad.

The basic explanation for Zitterbewegung = As being caused by interference between positive- and negative energy components. A flactuation at the speed of light. This comes a little closer to making some sense. Still, calling "something" the cause of an energy momentum is like saying it's the cause of a fruit, leaving the option that it might be a water melon, a grape, a sea cucumber or a squashed banana.

Let me say that I have tremendous respect for anyone that is able to create equations and juggle numbers and that I have "no" ability to argue there validity or interpret there results. This respect includes a crooked accountant that takes numbers out of the air to make things fit.

A good and right equation should have the ability to make sense out of chaos. If nothing else, when there are more than one equation for seamingly the same thing, both different, both leaving questions, there must be lots of room for an other equation that can translate in to an understandable, sensible cause and solution.

[Simpleton]

Maybe electrons just have a lot of nervous energy

I was not gone answer this reply, but it is your reply that encouraged me and brought to mind the saying, "Nothing ventured nothing gained". It also gave me the realysation that (in many situations) it is a new Idea or observation that comes first. This then allows for tests to be devised and the mathematics to be developed that either proves or disproves the validity of the idea or observation. What do I have to loose? What am I afraid of? I am the last person to say, I never been wrong. For this, I thank you very much. It is the words "why" and "how" that are asking for the exploration of possibilities. It is those same words that will allow some scilled adverturer certification as a master mathematician. It is the search for the answer to "why and "how" that has me stick my neck out all the way and predict that.

"The product of the annihilation of the "Virtual" anti electron (positron) and the real electron is not energy but the particle(s) termed "dark matter". It "might" be a single particle with the mass of both, the positron and electron.

Thank you again. Keep up the good work.

Edited December 29, 2010 by Simpleton

[Simpleton]

 

"The product of the annihilation of the "Virtual" anti electron (positron) and the real electron is not energy but the particle(s) termed "dark matter". It "might" be a single particle with the mass of both, the positron and electron.

It takes me so long to backtruck and find what has given me a reason for such an admittedly crazy idea. I am slow. Getting stuck on other issues and subjects of interest does not speed up the proccess. Sorry for that.

Reference, Wikipedia; "If either the electron or positron, or both, have appreciable kinetic energies, other heavier particles can be produced.

That and the velocity of an electron around an atom is at least some of the reason. Please take in to consideration that good, confirmed and reliable information on the processes, actions and reactions of Virtual particles as well as dark matter is rather scarce. It is unlikely that in early accelerator experiments with electron-positron collision, dark matter particles would have been noticed or even looked for. At any rate, it does not exclude dark matter. It is obvious that (if the above is considered as a possibility) any calculations of present quantity of dark matter and the steady increase therof takes in to consideration past and present black holes and neutron stars as objects that don't produce dark matter.

Thank you for your patients and tolerance.