ACG52 Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 i i now understand you. you reason from the assumption that Relativity theory is immutable or at least correct - therefore you test what i say against that and if it does not fit you discard. that's not the type of discussion i was attempting to engage. i was proposing to the mind to disregard theories and simply reason and imagine. So you want to ignore all experimental and observational data and write fiction. I'm sorry, but that's not what this site is about. This is a science forum. This means that whatever is posted should have some relationship with reality. i know SR says speed is same against all reference frames, but i dont believe it and einstein himself in GR seem not to believe it either. This shows that you don't know SR or GR. but as u are not willing to engage in imagining it will not be possible for us to discourse By no means. I'm perfectly willing to engage in imagining. I imagine that if we could examine photons closely enough, we would discover that they're really infinitesmal pink unicorns, and the reason that light can't go any faster than it can is because the unicorns can't flap their wings fast enough. Prove me wrong. Kaku claims he is co-founder of String Theory Kaku is a wannabe celebrity. He's just two steps away from being a crank. If he didn't have white hair he'd never have made it on TV. no dispute there but everything is energy is it not? hence at the speed of light matter changes into pure energy No, everything is not energy. Energy is not a thing, it is a property. And matter cannot move at the speed of light. Where do you get these nonsensical ideas? believe we believe 2c is impossible because we experience time uni-directionally (ie as a positive integer). at a higher dimension time by reasoning must exist bi-directionally (ie as both positive and negative integer - even if we can't experience it ourselves it must exist because everything must have an opposite. Again, this is simply nonsensical word salad. Have you ever studied any physics? Even read any popularizations? (aside from Kaku) i believe my thoughts (evidenced by brainwaves) is a form of energy which travels at light speed. telepathy is a fact and US military is already using it. I wrote all of the above before I read that. Now I realize it was a waste of time, because you can't teach a crackpot anything. 1
swansont Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 ok ok some clarity here. i did not say we can EXCEED the ABSOLUTE speed of light. what i spoke of was RELATIVE SPEED, which is what i think the post is about. I do not believe "c" is at all the speed of light, rather i believe light itself has no absolute speed and only appears to have speed. we could easily say light is stationary and it is our universe that is moving at "c", hence the ratio is the only thing that is absolute and not light itself. Example: we are on spaceship earth. are we travelling at the speed of earth's movement through space or are distant objects in space approaching us? our 'movement' is relative (not absolute) - same with light. No, we can't really say that. Light is not in an inertial frame, and the applicable physics that we have works for inertial frames. In those frames, one cannot move at c. The movement of light is always at c with respect to any inertial frame; i.e. you cannot detect your motion by measuring your speed with respect to that of light.
hypervalent_iodine Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 no dispute there but everything is energy is it not? hence at the speed of light matter changes into pure energy. in fact there is no such thing as matter. i believe we believe 2c is impossible because we experience time uni-directionally (ie as a positive integer). at a higher dimension time by reasoning must exist bi-directionally (ie as both positive and negative integer - even if we can't experience it ourselves it must exist because everything must have an opposite. i personally believe we can experience bi-directional time: meaning we can go back in time (not as matter but as energic beings of consciousness - ie our true selves). i do not view myself as the body: i view the body as something in which i reside. i believe that i am an energetic being who in accordance with laws of thermodynamics cannot be destroyed. i believe my thoughts (evidenced by brainwaves) is a form of energy which travels at light speed. telepathy is a fact and US military is already using it. so while this may sound wonky to you, it would be much wiser to look into these ideas for your personal benefit. now of course you don't have to. QUESTION: if u are the body, then what happens if i give u artificial arms, artificial legs, artificial organs, face transplant, etc (all of which are doable with current technology). once i artificially replace ALL your body parts: is it still you? so who are you? can u be destroyed? you is the inner being within....you are not the body...you are energy with consciousness...you are what religious people call God. i am not religious...i am just uniting the 2 ! Moderator Note manderson, A few things. Firstly, for the purposes of getting your point across in a manner that is readable and easily understood, it would be advisable for you to stop using text talk and engage in the English language some more. Secondly, we like to try and keep all posts and threads that are outside the bounds of mainstream science away from the mainstream science forums. This is for the benefit of members who are unfamiliar with a given topic, since it can be misleading and confusing to have topics that are scientifically sound and accepted as part of the body of mainstream and modern science with those that are not. To that end, I would ask you to please keep such posts out of this area of the forum and direct them to the Speculations forum. Lastly, your post was fairly off topic from the OP. When posting in threads, it would be appreciated if you could please keep your posts in line with the intended discussion. If you have something else you wish to discuss, you are of course welcome to start your own thread on the topic. Do not respond directly to this mod note in this thread. If you wish to discuss it, please PM a member of staff or use the report feature.
beefpatty Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 we could easily say light is stationary and it is our universe that is moving at "c", hence the ratio is the only thing that is absolute and not light itself. Example: we are on spaceship earth. are we travelling at the speed of earth's movement through space or are distant objects in space approaching us? our 'movement' is relative (not absolute) - same with light. If I turn on a beam of light, and then turn on another beam perpendicular to it, does the universe simultaneous move in perpendicular directions to give the illusion that both beams are traveling at c? Actually, we can measure our motion on earth against the CMB, or Cosmic Microwave Background radiation, since our relative motion creates a doppler shift. In that case you would have to say that the entire universe is moving to fit our Earth and we are somehow special.
Phi for All Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Moderator i agree. lets erase entirely the personal attack INITIATED against me by the gentleman (i am shocked at such a response and it caught me off guard: hence the rebuttles). ! Moderator Note Let me add some more clarification here. If someone calls your idea "completely incorrect" or "nonsense" (and hopefully shows why they think so), that person is attacking your idea, not you. This is NOT against the rules. When you comment on someone's "misguided arrogance", or call them a "self-appointed genius critic", or state that "u [sic] on the other hand lack imagination and mistake regurgitation for intelligence", you are directly attacking that person instead of their ideas, and that IS against the rules. 2
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