Leonidas Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 Hey, people how many of you have heard of Halo (game franchise, books)? well in the games and books you either play as or read about humans who were augmented through a series of procedures (to be named later) basically the human becomes what is known as a SPARTAN a military program designed to make a super soldier who has incredible reaction time along with reflexes, incredible visibility (can see nearly perfectly in the dark), inhuman intelligence, memory, and creativity, immense strength (can lift 4 times there body weight which is about 400kg), and nearly unbreakable bones. so my question is could one of these super soldiers exist do we have the technology to today or will we ever have the technology to perform these augmentations? Procedures: 1) Carbide ceramic ossification, advanced material grafted onto to skeleton to make bones virtually unbreakable 2)Protein complex injected intramusculary, increases tissue density and lactase recovery time 3)Catalytic thyroid implant, pellet containing human growth hormone catalyst is implanted in thyroid to boost growth of skeletal and muscle tissue 4)Occipital capillary reversal, submergence and boosted blood vessel flow beneath the rods and cone of the retina increased vision 5)Superconducting fibrification of nueral dentritesalteration of bioelectrical nerve transduction to shielded electronic transduction 300% increase in reflexes also an increase in intelligence, memeory, and creativity
ajb Posted January 7, 2011 Posted January 7, 2011 You may find the next best thing near a former air force base RAF Credenhill, Herefordshire, UK.
Genecks Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 You may find the next best thing near a former air force base RAF Credenhill, Herefordshire, UK. What are you on about?
TonyMcC Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) What are you on about? I think ajb is being sassy Edited January 8, 2011 by TonyMcC
Leonidas Posted January 8, 2011 Author Posted January 8, 2011 i do know the risks of the procedures listed above even if they were possible but are they possible?
TonyMcC Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) I think developmentwill take things in the opposite direction - take the frail human out of the equation entirely. For example a computer controlled aircraft with sufficient ability to detect enemy aircraft and decide to attack could pull much tighter turns than a human controlled aircraft and would not experience human emotions such as nervousness or fear. we are partway there with cruise missiles and also drones flown by "pilots" on the ground. Edited January 9, 2011 by TonyMcC 1
Leonidas Posted January 10, 2011 Author Posted January 10, 2011 well i understand the development of robotic technologies and military drones but im talking about the human itself
Ahsan Iqbal Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 I think of it on a different perspective. We call a super soldier the one who can easily beat his opponent and gain victory for his country. He is a master killer and no one can stand in his way. He has super reflexes, super powers, super abilities and all other super stuff. If I am right than probably you need to think about the existence of super soldiers. Why? Let me explain Technology is not limited to a single region of the world and is widespread. The world has become a global village where if for example, the wheels of a car are manufactured in China, the engine is manufactured in Germany. The point I want to make is that every country has achieved the technological advancements required to make (or potentially make) super soldiers. Now think a little. A super soldier is the one who can kill his opponent easily. Suppose country A has a super soldiers and the opponent country B also has super soldiers. Who is going to be "super" then. Obviously no one. It is the same situation of a child fighting another child. The supremacy exists only against the weak ones. Two super soldiers do not remain super. They become ordinary. I think developmentwill take things in the opposite direction - take the frail human out of the equation entirely. For example a computer controlled aircraft with sufficient ability to detect enemy aircraft and decide to attack could pull much tighter turns than a human controlled aircraft and would not experience human emotions such as nervousness or fear. we are partway there with cruise missiles and also drones flown by "pilots" on the ground. I completely agree with you. The world has chosen the path to manufacture super machines instead of super humans. So it would be more realistic that we think about a super droid with numerous supreme features instead of thinking about a super human soldier with extra strong bones and extra long stamina.
TonyMcC Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 well i understand the development of robotic technologies and military drones but im talking about the human itself Well, as unlikely as I think it is, surely one has to say "never say never"? First glimpses of possibilities occur with athletes such as Oscar Pistorious. Oscar has no legs but can run so quickly that he has had able bodied athletes claim that he has an unfair advantage! I recently saw a programme on TV where an athlete with one leg amputated below the knee said that he has a special leg for cycling competitions which was more aerodynamic than his everyday leg. I can't see the dramatic changes you mention ever being used but I have to repeat "never say never"!
Ahsan Iqbal Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 Well, as unlikely as I think it is, surely one has to say "never say never"? First glimpses of possibilities occur with athletes such as Oscar Pistorious. Oscar has no legs but can run so quickly that he has had able bodied athletes claim that he has an unfair advantage! I recently saw a programme on TV where an athlete with one leg amputated below the knee said that he has a special leg for cycling competitions which was more aerodynamic than his everyday leg. I can't see the dramatic changes you mention ever being used but I have to repeat "never say never"! You are right in saying that "never say never" Actually I am myself a big believer of "never say never". What I wanted to tell is that everything in the world is relative. Power and no power are also relative. Power is "power" only if there is some weak who lacks it. If all become powerful, power will no more exist. Similarly if all soldiers in the world become super soldiers, against what will you measure the "superness". So to those who are not "super", the super soldiers will obviously look powerful but to those who are themselves "super", they will just look ordinary and when everything in the world becomes "super" the super soldier will look ordinary according to the view of that time.
TonyMcC Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 (edited) You are right in saying that "never say never" Actually I am myself a big believer of "never say never". What I wanted to tell is that everything in the world is relative. Power and no power are also relative. Power is "power" only if there is some weak who lacks it. If all become powerful, power will no more exist. Similarly if all soldiers in the world become super soldiers, against what will you measure the "superness". So to those who are not "super", the super soldiers will obviously look powerful but to those who are themselves "super", they will just look ordinary and when everything in the world becomes "super" the super soldier will look ordinary according to the view of that time. I can't really agree wth you. Military history follows an unending path of this nature :- One group develops an advantage. The other group then developes a means of counteracting that advantage, often in the process gaining an advantage themselves. This spurs the first group to counteract the new advantage and find a way to get an advantage for themselves etc..etc.. Think sword - spear - gun - missile to get the idea. Equality doesn't last for long. Sometimes the countermeasure comes from improving present technology, sometimes someone develops a new idea completely. I'm sure at the present time boffins around the world are working on means to detect stealth bombers. I personally think that the solution may well tie in with radar development that could detect clear air turbulence at long range. After all the "invisible" aircraft must leave a turbulent trail of disturbed air behind it. That of course is just speculation. If one side finds they can get an advantage by tampering with the human body and succeed in that, they would be starting another "arms race" of a different sort! Having said all that - I can't see it happening! Edited January 11, 2011 by TonyMcC
Ahsan Iqbal Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 Having said all that - I can't see it happening! I really liked that last part.
Leonidas Posted January 13, 2011 Author Posted January 13, 2011 i disagree with most of what was said mainly because if one country doesnt have the technology to produce a soldier which very well could be another major country such as britain france germany etc. they might not have the same augmentations as this super soldier i am talking about sure they might find a way to counteract it but it would take a while also im pretty sure if our government spent a ton of money on making this super soldier than why put it out into combat with standard issue gear devise a special type of armored body suit with an alloy of different metals to make that soldier even better yeah sure a country might be able to counteract this but the super soldier being smarter would most likeley find a way to counteract there counter and even more efficiently also we arent staying on topic people could these procedures be possible?
Mr Skeptic Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 Perhaps countries would be better off making super-citizens. Then they have an advantage in production, research, and also war.
Genecks Posted January 15, 2011 Posted January 15, 2011 (edited) ...so my question is could one of these super soldiers exist do we have the technology to today or will we ever have the technology to perform these augmentations? Answer: I think we have the technology. Our knowledge of science, biology, and engineering to make a super soldier that has a stable bioengineered body does not exist. We have many working theories on biology, bioengineering, biomechanics, and so materials science. And we also have people researching and working to find better ways to make biomaterials. I'm not saying it's impossible. But not everyone is working on something like that at the moment. We have the technology to build the technology, but we don't have the allocated resources to build your super soldier right now. I guess theoretically we could do it right now (lacking adequate knowledge for making a stable cellular and anatomical framework for the soldier), but don't plan on living to an old age, as your cellular biology is more than likely going to turn against you. Maybe you could live two weeks to three months. I'm not a specialist on immunology and bad reactions people have to materials, so I'm just throwing out some random guesses. But for whenever I've heard of people having toxic issues with biomaterials, they tend to live at least two weeks. You would need to find the materials and surgeon with the skills to do it, though. Possible right now? No. Possible in the future? Sure, I don't see why not unless everyone stops working on it, as people above have described. Edited January 15, 2011 by Genecks
Leonidas Posted January 21, 2011 Author Posted January 21, 2011 Answer: I think we have the technology. Our knowledge of science, biology, and engineering to make a super soldier that has a stable bioengineered body does not exist. We have many working theories on biology, bioengineering, biomechanics, and so materials science. And we also have people researching and working to find better ways to make biomaterials. Thank you for an actual answer i hope no one will stop working on such things i have thought about going into the fields that would make this more possible but thought that it was not for me i will however be a normal soldier and be the best super soldier i can make myself on my own instincts and human resources
Xittenn Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 1) Carbide ceramic ossification, advanced material grafted onto to skeleton to make bones virtually unbreakable I've worked with a number of carbide ceramic materials and although they maintain a high stress load under constant pressure they tend to shatter under high dynamic instantaneous stress loads! I have however spent some time reflecting on the possibilities where radiation could be used to induce an atomic level change of calcium into titanium, for whatever reason :/ I think I may have been influenced by an emotional state at the time the thought had been incurred however and its validity may be certifiable ... 1
Leonidas Posted January 31, 2011 Author Posted January 31, 2011 I've worked with a number of carbide ceramic materials and although they maintain a high stress load under constant pressure they tend to shatter under high dynamic instantaneous stress loads! I have however spent some time reflecting on the possibilities where radiation could be used to induce an atomic level change of calcium into titanium, for whatever reason :/ I think I may have been influenced by an emotional state at the time the thought had been incurred however and its validity may be certifiable ... if you have any documentations or links id love to see them thank you not to have proof of what you say i believe you but id like sepcifics on the the levels of stress it broke under again thank you
Genecks Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 if you have any documentations or links id love to see them thank you not to have proof of what you say i believe you but id like sepcifics on the the levels of stress it broke under again thank you If you're really into this stuff, you may be interested in taking up a profession in bioengineering and reading more about materials science.
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