Ethereally Luminous Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 If i dissolve Na2CO3 in water and distill the solution will the water that comes over have a higher concentration of hydroxyl ions. I know the best way to find an answer is to test the idea itself. I was just curious to know if there is any info out there about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypervalent_iodine Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 You will produce some NaOH, yes. The other thing you will form is carbonic acid. When you distill it you'll release a little CO2 and your distilate will only be water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethereally Luminous Posted February 7, 2011 Author Share Posted February 7, 2011 Thanks, is there a catalyst of some sort to produce more NaOH and release more CO2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypervalent_iodine Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 I suppose you could make the solution weakly basic. This should push the equilibrium towards forming the bicarbonate ion, which then equilibrates with carbonic acid. A better way to make NaOH would be to combine Na2CO3 and Ca(OH)2. I mean, it's not a particularly useful reaction for a kitchen set up because you need temperatures of about 825oC to get CaCO3 to precipitate (you'd essentially need a kiln or something similar). Careful though. If you actually intend on making NaOH, you should read the appropriate MSDS's and take proper safety precautions (wear decent personal protective equipment, etc.). What is this for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cuthber Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 "If i dissolve Na2CO3 in water and distill the solution will the water that comes over have a higher concentration of hydroxyl ions. " Higher than what? Anyway apart from some solution carried over as spray, the only stuff that will distil is water. In principle it will be neutral. In practice it will pick up a little CO2 from the air and become slightly acidic. Hypothetically, the process of boiling will decompose some of the carbonate to CO2 and NaOH but the effect will be tiny. You can boil a solution of sodium carbonate and let it cool. What will crystallise out is the carbonate, not the hydroxide. "is there a catalyst of some sort to produce more NaOH and release more CO2? " No, sadly that's not what catalysts do. They can only affect the rate of a reaction, not the position of the equilibrium, and in this case, the equilibrium is very much in favour of carbonate. (I say it's sad because it would solve the energy crisis if you found a catalyst that did that. It would breach the principle of the conservation of energy.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cuthber Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 "If i dissolve Na2CO3 in water and distill the solution will the water that comes over have a higher concentration of hydroxyl ions. " Higher than what? Anyway apart from some solution carried over as spray, the only stuff that will distil is water. In principle it will be neutral. In practice it will pick up a little CO2 from the air and become slightly acidic. Hypothetically, the process of boiling will decompose some of the carbonate to CO2 and NaOH but the effect will be tiny. You can boil a solution of sodium carbonate and let it cool. What will crystallise out is the carbonate, not the hydroxide. "is there a catalyst of some sort to produce more NaOH and release more CO2? " No, sadly that's not what catalysts do. They can only affect the rate of a reaction, not the position of the equilibrium, and in this case, the equilibrium is very much in favour of carbonate. (I say it's sad because it would solve the energy crisis if you found a catalyst that did that. It would breach the principle of the conservation of energy.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cuthber Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 "If i dissolve Na2CO3 in water and distill the solution will the water that comes over have a higher concentration of hydroxyl ions. " Higher than what? Anyway apart from some solution carried over as spray, the only stuff that will distil is water. In principle it will be neutral. In practice it will pick up a little CO2 from the air and become slightly acidic. Hypothetically, the process of boiling will decompose some of the carbonate to CO2 and NaOH but the effect will be tiny. You can boil a solution of sodium carbonate and let it cool. What will crystallise out is the carbonate, not the hydroxide. "is there a catalyst of some sort to produce more NaOH and release more CO2? " No, sadly that's not what catalysts do. They can only affect the rate of a reaction, not the position of the equilibrium, and in this case, the equilibrium is very much in favour of carbonate. (I say it's sad because it would solve the energy crisis if you found a catalyst that did that. It would breach the principle of the conservation of energy.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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