Simple, elegant and unified theories in physics is the wrong way to go

[eighth man]

I was reading about how hard it is to create

random number generators. It is incredibile

how we worship regularity so much when actually

regularity is the rule of the universe and

getting out of it is almost impossibly

difficult.

 

That is a message from physics, where instead of

searching for simple and unified theories we

should search and then create and force upon

us ever increasing complex and difficult theories.

 

I propose the grand explosion of theories as opposed

to grand unified ones. The beauty then must lie

in ever increasing complexity and difficulty of

understanding . Falsification of experiments is

completely allowed.

 

Physics would then become an art form and we could

imagine having accelerators that smash car engines

against each other and develop theories.

 

 

8MAN TOBOR

[[Tycho?]]

Is this a joke? I can't really tell, we get some odd stuff here sometimes.

[RICHARDBATTY]

I propose that we harpoon the moon and pull it closer to see if it stays lighter at night. Also if we get continuos migration of mice it will either prove the moon is made of cheese or at least the mice think it is. I would also like to find out who keeps pulling the plug out of florida.

[eighth man]

No joke, we must use extreme art to get further in

our investigations. We will hit a wall eventually if

we do not.

 

THE TOBOR APE

[Sayonara]

I think you've hit your wall already to be honest.

[YT2095]

I was reading about how hard it is to create

random number generators. It is incredibile

how we worship regularity so much when actually

regularity is the rule of the universe and

getting out of it is almost impossibly

difficult.

Where did you read that?

 

a Random Number generator is NOT at all difficult to make, nor is white noise or white light (a random mix off all frequencies at random ampltudes and occurance).

[eighth man]

Yes, good approximations can be made.

But random number generators that have

no correlation at all, no conceivable pattern

are very hard to make. They have been made

using Quantum mechanics effects, and they

seem to be "almost perfect". There is a really

strange history on these random number

generators; you will find web pages within

the field of electronics.

 

TOBOR IS THE EIGHTH APE

[YT2095]

using the breakdown voltage of a reverse biased Zenner diode, then amplified will indeed give you pure random noise, it`s created by the individual electrons crossing the depletion zone in a PN junction, it is indeed truly Random

[eighth man]

They are quite good, but I have read

articles on the web where there is always

a "ghost" of some slight correlation.

The field is complex and involved but it

seems that a simple problem of generating

randomness is not simple at all.

 

check out this and others on web: ;>

 

http://random.mat.sbg.ac.at/tests/

 

 

Thus physics talks to us and tells us create

extreme randomness, extreme art,

bash engines adn create theory.

(engines running with gas, and another

run of accelator experiments without gas).

 

APE TOBOR MAN

[YT2095]

surely in your last post in the other thread, if elementary particles (such as electrons) have NO RULES or LOGIC? then random numbers are the default state and finding ORDER would be the "Hard" part?

[eighth man]

Yes but in other posts, I said contradictions

is a higher form of reasoning. But, yes there

are some problems. I think that within a

"strict" scientific framework, randomness seems

to be hard. Then exiting a "strict" scientific

framework I can evaluate what it can possibly

mean.

 

 

TOBOR THE 8 MAN

[YT2095]

Good Luck, it sound like you`ll need it

[eighth man]

No, at the core, electrons are completely

incomprehensible (not the laws they follow).

How does electron know where it is ? etc.

 

 

I don't need luck because I FORCE the

solutions. I decide and create and invent

all. That is the point. I have infinite power

through metaphysical assignment.

 

Example: Tires are particles because I decided

this, my mind is made of a material I choose

invent and force the mind to expand etc...

 

APE TOBOR

[YT2095]

No' date=' at the core, electrons are completely

incomprehensible (not the laws they follow).

How does electron know where it is ? etc.

 

 

I don't need luck because I FORCE the

solutions. I decide and create and invent

all. That is the point. I have infinite power

through metaphysical assignment.

 

Example: Tires are particles because I decided

this, my mind is made of a material I choose

invent and force the mind to expand etc...

 

APE TOBOR[/quote']for the 1`st part, if they are incomprehensible and they DON`T "KNOW" where they`re "at", the Random noise generated by the exploitation of this "fact" is a perfectly valid application.

 

Forcing solns and making yourself beleive in all manor of nonsense will only serve to make you dellusional and perhaps somewhat unliked or at least Ignored amongst a Scientific community.

you have the right to beleive all you wish to, there`s no problem there, hover this doesn`t give you liscence to spout off rubbish in here.

 

we`re all fairly open minded towards new ideas (that`s the nature of Science), however stubourn refusal to accept blattent facts, presents another sort of ignorance that is shortlived in our tollerance.

[eighth man]

Yes you are right for the most part.

Electrons at "core" don't even know how

to generate random numbers. Then

where do they write the numbers?

Then how can any number be associated

with any physical quantity , etc.

 

Obviously, within the mainstream scientific

community, no one would consider what

I claim valid, and I completely accept this.

But in the future, science will hit the wall

and will turn into an art form, or the simulations

of virtual reality will change everything, or

even more when we change our mind circuits

and generate completely new mental organizations,

emotions sentiments "SOLID STATE CIVILIZATION",

there will no longer be any science, just art and

art forms and extreme fantasies.

 

TOBOR EIGHT MAN

[Sayonara]

Why don't you pipe down while you wait for science to catch up with you?