Contradictions: Religion vs Science

[iNow]

The answer is much simpler than people realize.

 

We all are sons and daughters of God, though few of us know this.

Actually, the answer is even simpler than that. God is almost certainly nothing more than the product of human imagination. Really, it's on par with santa claus... it's just santa claus for grown ups. Just because you want god to be real doesn't mean it is.

 

You can quote a book written by goat herders in the desert two thousand years ago all you want... It won't change the fact that your belief in god rests entirely on faith, and faith is one of the worst possible reasons to accept something as true.

[Dovada]

Actually, the answer is even simpler than that. God is almost certainly nothing more than the product of human imagination. Really, it's on par with santa claus... it's just santa claus for grown ups. Just because you want god to be real doesn't mean it is.

 

You can quote a book written by goat herders in the desert two thousand years ago all you want... It won't change the fact that your belief in god rests entirely on faith, and faith is one of the worst possible reasons to accept something as true.

Why are all atoms composed of identical particles everywhere (electrons, protons, neutrons etc)? What controls atomic particle physical structure? What forms the structure of light itself? What controls our motion within the cosmos? What gives us the seasons, day and night etc? What is the structure of gravity? Is it your santa claus for grown ups?

 

At this time you do not understand the purpose of scripture or that your heavenly Father is trying to reveal and show you these things.

 

1Corinthians chapter 4 verse 20 "For the kingdom of God is not in word but in power".

 

1John chapter 1 verse 5 "This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all".

 

iNow - Your disbelief in God was already anticipated:

 

Romans chapter 3 verses 3-4:

3. For what if some did not believe? Will their unbelief make the faithfulness of God without effect?

4. Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar. As it is written: "That You may be justified in Your words, and may overcome when You are judged.''

 

May I say to you, if you do not believe in God, do not boast about it. Others may see your weakness.

Edited February 3, 2012 by Dovada

[iNow]

Why are all atoms composed of identical particles everywhere (electrons, protons, neutrons etc)? What controls atomic particle physical structure? What forms the structure of light itself? What controls our motion within the cosmos? What gives us the seasons, day and night etc? What is the structure of gravity? Is it your santa claus for grown ups?

No, it's not santa claus. However, implicit in your post is the assertion that god is an answer to these questions. It's not.

 

You may as well be saying that smurfs are the reason atoms are made of identical particles, or care bears are what form the "structure of light," or that dora the explorer controls our motion within the cosmos.

 

You can quote me all the biblical scripture you want. It's equivalent to me as if you were here quoting harry potter or clifford the big red dog. Your precious bible is an internally inconsistent anthology written by humans and is proof of nothing other than human gullibility and willingness to abandon reason.

Edited February 3, 2012 by iNow

[Moontanman]

WHAT! There is no Santa Claus????

[Dovada]

No, it's not santa claus. However, implicit in your post is the assertion that god is an answer to these questions. It's not.

 

You may as well be saying that smurfs are the reason atoms are made of identical particles, or care bears are what form the "structure of light," or that dora the explorer controls our motion within the cosmos.

 

You can quote me all the biblical scripture you want. It's equivalent to me as if you were here quoting harry potter or clifford the big red dog. Your precious bible is an internally inconsistent anthology written by humans and is proof of nothing other than human gullibility and willingness to abandon reason.

If the power of God is not capable of providing the answer to those questions, What is?

 

Physics can not provide a reasonable answer, in fact physicists still don't understand why these things are occurring.

 

Is the following just a coincidence?

 

Exodus chapter 12 verse 37 Then the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand men on foot, besides children.

 

The earth along with the local galactic group moves through the heavens at 600,000 meters per second.

 

God owns everything and everyone, such that he uses them to reveal his heavenly laws that constitute his cosmic transparent power. If the spirit of God did not exist you would not exist. Your very life's existence is a product of Spirit. Spirit is another word for fluid electromagnetic energy. Or should God have used the words of men to describe himself?

 

If I am wrong please explain the cause of:

Why are all atoms composed of identical particles everywhere (electrons, protons, neutrons etc)? What controls atomic particle physical structure? What forms the structure of light itself? What controls our motion within the cosmos? What gives us the seasons, day and night etc? What is the structure of gravity?

[iNow]

If the power of God is not capable of providing the answer to those questions, What is?

Evidence? Reason? Science? People who study it as their life's work?

 

God is not an answer. It's a place holder... a gap filler... really nothing more than a cop-out for people who have given up the search for knowledge and understanding and have satisfied themselves with fairy tales.

[Dovada]

Evidence? Reason? Science? People who study it as their life's work?

 

God is not an answer. It's a place holder... a gap filler... really nothing more than a cop-out for people who have given up the search for knowledge and understanding and have satisfied themselves with fairy tales.

God is Spirit, the fundamental of all scientific knowledge and understanding. His inheritance and gift to his children is all his knowledge and understanding, his laws that even he cannot break. The law of life itself.

 

What more could God give you than the knowledge that is himself? What more could you ask the creator for?

[iNow]

God is Spirit, the fundamental of all scientific knowledge and understanding.

This is little more than an unfounded assertion. If I asked you to prove it, you would fail. All you have is faith. Faith is one of the worse possible reasons to accept something as true.

[Dovada]

This is little more than an unfounded assertion. If I asked you to prove it, you would fail. All you have is faith. Faith is one of the worse possible reasons to accept something as true.

Proverbs chapter 2 verse 6 For the Lord gives wisdom; from His mouth come knowledge and understanding;

 

Jeramiah chapter 3 verse 15 "And I will give you shepherds according to My heart, who will feed you with knowledge and understanding.

 

Unfortunately the hardness of your heart prevents this knowledge and understanding from occurring. You are being wise in your own eyes.

 

Proverbs chapter 3 verse 7 Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord and depart from evil.

[iNow]

Perhaps you missed the part where I said a book written by desert dwelling goat herders 2000 years ago is not any more convincing in this discussion than a book about little red riding hood or the three little pigs?

[Moontanman]

Now this is what i meant when I asked you about reason.... It's really an odd attitude, looking at reality through the filter of absolute religious faith...

[Dovada]

Perhaps you missed the part where I said a book written by desert dwelling goat herders 2000 years ago is not any more convincing in this discussion than a book about little red riding hood or the three little pigs?

1Corinthians chapter 2 verse 5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.

 

With some people, if you show them technology they do not understand the call it miraculous, magic or something similar. Often words are used to describe things in a similar term as a miracle. Some of the technology used today in the hospitals would have 2000 years ago have been described in this way.

 

Man is a product of God, He has the ability to reproduce himself, how and why this ability occurs is by no accident. The structure of the genetic code it is a product of the movement of the earth using the spiral forces of the cosmos. This is the work of the power of God himself (the potter). Do you not see this? Or is it all just miraculous to you?

Edited February 3, 2012 by Dovada

[Tres Juicy]

Man is a product of God, He has the ability to reproduce himself, how and why this ability occurs is by no accident. The structure of the genetic code it is a product of the movement of the earth using the spiral forces of the cosmos. This is the work of the power of God himself (the potter). Do you not see this? Or is it all just miraculous to you?

 

 

I think that you are the one calling it miraculous!

 

You've given it no explanation other than that

 

Do you not understand evolution?

 

Science does not rely on miracles pal. It's about getting to the true explanations rather than the feeble cop out that is "god did it"

Edited February 3, 2012 by Tres Juicy

[Dovada]

I think that you are the one calling it miraculous!

 

You've given it no explanation other than that

 

Do you not understand evolution?

 

Science does not rely on miracles pal. It's about getting to the true explanations rather than the feeble cop out that is "god did it"

What did you not understand about, "the structure of the genetic code it is a product of the movement of the earth using the spiral forces of the cosmos".

 

Evolution is the also another word for the development of the structure of all life by the power referred to as God.

 

The word miracles comes not from God but from none understanding by men. My explanation holds true.

[Tres Juicy]

What did you not understand about, "the structure of the genetic code it is a product of the movement of the earth using the spiral forces of the cosmos".

 

This is rubbish

 

Evolution is the also another word for the development of the structure of all life by the power referred to as God.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

 

The word miracles comes not from God but from none understanding by men. My explanation holds true.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle

 

Your "explanation" is crap

[Dovada]

This is rubbish

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle

 

Your "explanation" is crap

I offer knowledge that you do not understand and highly unlikely to understand.

 

A scientist before he has any success or breakthrough works diligently because he has both faith and a belief in his ability to achieve success. He works because he believes in what he is doing.

 

So it is with the bible, disbelievers always fail because of their lack of faith and belief. They fail because they never try in the first place, whereas the faithful believer makes the effort and finds the knowledge of God.

 

Proverbs chapter 2 verses 4-6:

4. If you seek her as silver, and search for her as for hidden treasures;

5. then you will understand the fear of the Lord, and find the knowledge of God.

6. For the Lord gives wisdom; from His mouth come knowledge and understanding;

 

This is how the knowledge of God is protected. Your lack of faith and belief prevents you from obtaining it.

 

1Corinthians chapter 15 verse 34 Awake to righteousness, and do not sin; for some do not have the knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame.

 

So to non believers let it be according to your belief. Continue to speak the words rubbish and crap for it is your contribution to the world.

[Moontanman]

I offer knowledge that you do not understand and highly unlikely to understand.

 

A scientist before he has any success or breakthrough works diligently because he has both faith and a belief in his ability to achieve success. He works because he believes in what he is doing.

 

So it is with the bible, disbelievers always fail because of their lack of faith and belief. They fail because they never try in the first place, whereas the faithful believer makes the effort and finds the knowledge of God.

 

Proverbs chapter 2 verses 4-6:

4. If you seek her as silver, and search for her as for hidden treasures;

5. then you will understand the fear of the Lord, and find the knowledge of God.

6. For the Lord gives wisdom; from His mouth come knowledge and understanding;

 

This is how the knowledge of God is protected. Your lack of faith and belief prevents you from obtaining it.

 

1Corinthians chapter 15 verse 34 Awake to righteousness, and do not sin; for some do not have the knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame.

 

So to non believers let it be according to your belief. Continue to speak the words rubbish and crap for it is your contribution to the world.

 

 

No Davoda, religion splits people it does not unite them, faith and belief are not part of science, you have no knowledge what so ever, you have no idea what science is or how it works, religion has never added to the store of human knowledge religion blows up school children and flies airplanes into buildings, science puts men of the moon and feeds the world.

 

Religion restricts the human spirit, glorifies liars and subjugates people with fear and keeps people drowning in ignorance, you have nothing but myths and twice told tales that have no basis in reality. Religion is an infectious meme that does far more harm than good, humans will leave you and people like you behind as we grow beyond the need for imaginary sky daddies...

 

Science shows us how reality works, science requires intelligence, religion requires ignorance, religion requires you to surrender your intellect to fear and superstition, you are wrong and sadly you will never know just how wrong you are because your mind is closed to the truth by a book written by bigoted misogynist bronze age desert goat herders.

 

I pity you...

[iNow]

So it is with the bible, disbelievers always fail because of their lack of faith and belief. They fail because they never try in the first place.

This shows that you perhaps misunderstand why people ultimately don't believe. Most frequently when a person does not believe, it is the direct result of devoting time and effort toward learning and investing themselves into achieving a better understanding belief and faith. Most frequently, what actually happens is that as they learn more they tend to believe less. As a general rule, intensity of religious belief is inversely correlated with education, and there is good reason for that. The more one learns, the less one believes... As a general rule. Of course, there are exceptions, but those are few and far between.

 

Below are two large population data sets of people who believed in god, and in their desire to understand their god and their religion better they learned more about it and determined finally that it was unreasonable to hold those beliefs... They determined that faith alone is not good enough, and is too inconsistent. If faith is good enough for one god or one set of beliefs, why not another?

 

It's not that nonbelievers do not understand. That is a flawed conclusion for you to draw. It's that nonbelievers generally chose not to believe as a result of learning more about the specious nature of faith itself... as a result of trying to believe, and in their deeper study coming to realize that their beliefs are really rather silly, unfounded, and without merit.

 

 

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/category/testimonial/

http://richarddawkins.net/letters/converts

Edited February 4, 2012 by iNow

[Dovada]

No Davoda, religion splits people it does not unite them, faith and belief are not part of science, you have no knowledge what so ever, you have no idea what science is or how it works, religion has never added to the store of human knowledge religion blows up school children and flies airplanes into buildings, science puts men of the moon and feeds the world.

 

Religion restricts the human spirit, glorifies liars and subjugates people with fear and keeps people drowning in ignorance, you have nothing but myths and twice told tales that have no basis in reality. Religion is an infectious meme that does far more harm than good, humans will leave you and people like you behind as we grow beyond the need for imaginary sky daddies...

 

Science shows us how reality works, science requires intelligence, religion requires ignorance, religion requires you to surrender your intellect to fear and superstition, you are wrong and sadly you will never know just how wrong you are because your mind is closed to the truth by a book written by bigoted misogynist bronze age desert goat herders.

 

I pity you...

You are not describing anything here but terrorism. The heavens will never be opened up to us fully until we know how it its laws function. Until now your scientists assume all energy is contained within atomic structure and attempts to take that atomic structure with the ship into space. There is already power in space and on the world that can be used help feed the hungry. Corruption prevails in the minds of men and prevents this knowledge of God and his gift of power to us occurring. Name me a honest man?

 

This shows that you perhaps misunderstand why people ultimately don't believe. Most frequently when a person does not believe, it is the direct result of devoting time and effort toward learning and investing themselves into achieving a better understanding belief and faith. Most frequently, what actually happens is that as they learn more they tend to believe less. As a general rule, intensity of religious belief is inversely correlated with education, and there is good reason for that. The more one learns, the less one believes... As a general rule. Of course, there are exceptions, but those are few and far between.

 

Below are two large population data sets of people who believed in god, and in their desire to understand their god and their religion better they learned more about it and determined finally that it was unreasonable to hold those beliefs... They determined that faith alone is not good enough, and is too inconsistent. If faith is good enough for one god or one set of beliefs, why not another?

 

It's not that nonbelievers do not understand. That is a flawed conclusion for you to draw. It's that nonbelievers generally chose not to believe as a result of learning more about the specious nature of faith itself... as a result of trying to believe, and in their deeper study coming to realize that their beliefs are really rather silly, unfounded, and without merit.

If you want to learn about God, do not ask one another because its then the blind leading the blind.

Luke chapter 6 verse 39 And He spoke a parable to them: "Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into the ditch?

 

There is only one teacher given to us, and its not the church or its leaders.

Mathew chapter 23 verses 8-10:

8. "But you, do not be called `Rabbi'; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren.

9. "Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.

10. "And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ.

 

Your links do nothing but to establish the confusion resulting from self misguided education resulting from having the wrong teacher.

[Tres Juicy]

You are not describing anything here but terrorism. The heavens will never be opened up to us fully until we know how it its laws function. Until now your scientists assume all energy is contained within atomic structure and attempts to take that atomic structure with the ship into space. There is already power in space and on the world that can be used help feed the hungry. Corruption prevails in the minds of men and prevents this knowledge of God and his gift of power to us occurring. Name me a honest man?

 

Wthout religion how many terrorists would there be?

 

If you want to learn about God, do not ask one another because its then the blind leading the blind.

Luke chapter 6 verse 39 And He spoke a parable to them: "Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into the ditch?

 

There is only one teacher given to us, and its not the church or its leaders.

Mathew chapter 23 verses 8-10:

8. "But you, do not be called `Rabbi'; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren.

9. "Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.

10. "And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ.

 

Your links do nothing but to establish the confusion resulting from self misguided education resulting from having the wrong teacher.

 

Ok, so who taught you?

 

What makes you think that you're not being led by the blind?

[Dovada]

Wthout religion how many terrorists would there be?

Religion is a broad title used by many corrupt fanatics to murder and pillage in this world. Do not judge all because of the action of these terrorists.

 

John chapter 7 verse 24 "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.''

 

Ok, so who taught you?

 

What makes you think that you're not being led by the blind?

The spirit (God) has the power to educate you directly.

 

John chapter 14 verse 26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

 

John chapter 16 verse 7 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.

 

Many have visions and powerful dreams, but few understand them. Your mind has the ability to communicate directly with the spirit (a transceiver) and a picture is a thousand words. Do not ask your brother or neighbor about God, he does not know him and cannot tell you the answer you seek. Ask God directly.

 

Please note:

James chapter 4 verses 1-4:

1. Where do wars and fights come from among you? Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members?

2. You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. Yet you do not have because you do not ask.

3. You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures.

[iNow]

Beware of the man who has read only one book...

[Tres Juicy]

Religion is a broad title used by many corrupt fanatics to murder and pillage in this world. Do not judge all because of the action of these terrorists.

 

John chapter 7 verse 24 "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.''

 

 

The spirit (God) has the power to educate you directly.

 

John chapter 14 verse 26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

 

John chapter 16 verse 7 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.

 

Many have visions and powerful dreams, but few understand them. Your mind has the ability to communicate directly with the spirit (a transceiver) and a picture is a thousand words. Do not ask your brother or neighbor about God, he does not know him and cannot tell you the answer you seek. Ask God directly.

 

Please note:

James chapter 4 verses 1-4:

1. Where do wars and fights come from among you? Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members?

2. You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. Yet you do not have because you do not ask.

3. You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures.

 

Oh right.

 

 

So you're saying that you just know.

 

Who's to say I don't "just know"

[Dovada]

Beware of the man who has read only one book...

I speak from my own experience with the Father. When you start to read the bible the visions that explain its meaning will also start.

 

Oh right.

 

So you're saying that you just know.

 

Who's to say I don't "just know"

You will not find the knowledge of God in the teachings of the churches.

 

Mathew chapter 23 verse 13 "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

 

In fact the whole chapter 23 is directed at the church leaders, which still apply today as they continue to seek there own glory.

Do not be vain, just pray in your own homes out of the sight of others:

 

Mathew chapter 6 verse 5-8

5. "And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward.

6. "But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.

7. "But when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.

8. "Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him.

 

God has a very difficult job to teach you about his power and laws and this cannot happen in a single day. Everyone has different abilities and your own personal skills and abilities will be enhanced .

 

Proverbs chapter 2 verses 6-7

6. For the Lord gives wisdom; from His mouth come knowledge and understanding;

7. He stores up sound wisdom for the upright; He is a shield to those who walk uprightly;

 

Consider prayer as a form of mental telepathy between you and the cosmos which created you and resides in you.

Edited February 5, 2012 by Dovada

[iNow]

If we were discussing any subject other than religion, the masses would agree you should be institutionalized as a crazy delusional lunatic. However, since the topic at hand is belief in a deity, your thoughts are granted special deference and undue acceptance, and are shared among the majority. Oh... what a world.