Nothing can create something

[Dean Mullen]

Imagine a world were literally nothing existed, something never came into existence and there is just infinite nothing, well you then realized based on maths that even nothing must produce something because:

 

1 divided by 0 = Infinity

thus 0 x Infinity = 1

 

and 0 = nothing & 1 = something thus 0 x Infinity = Infinite nothing which equals to 1 thus

 

eternal nothing = 1 something

 

just as

 

Infinity x 0 = 1

 

so in other words eternal nothing must produce 1/Infinite the size of the nothing of something, thus nothing must create something.

 

Although its hypothetical, if nothing existed in fact, then maybe this equation could be the reason for everything.

[rktpro]

I agree with the nothing must create something. But this is a bit religious point of view. Nothing means nothing. This is practically impossible to create something out of this. Only a supernatural power can do it.

[ydoaPs]

1 divided by 0 = Infinity

No. 1/0 does not exist. Given f=1/x, as x approaches +0, f approaches +infinity. As x approaches -0, f approaches -infinity. There is no limit of f as x approaches 0 since the left limit and the right limit give different values. 1/0 is undefined.

 

You can see this graphically, since it f=1/x will make a hyperbola.

Edited February 12, 2011 by ydoaPs

[Mr Skeptic]

0 x infinity, 1/0, 0/0, all these are undefined.

[Dean Mullen]

0 x infinity, 1/0, 0/0, all these are undefined.

 

But 1 = 0.9999.... and 1 = 1.0000.......1 so 1 - 1 can equals 1.00000.....1 - 1 = 0.0000....1 so 0.000....1 x Infinity = 1 yet 0.000....1 = 0 so 0 x Infinity = 1 hence if 0 x Infinity = 1 then 1 divided by 0 = Infinity? or is this incorrect.

 

I agree with the nothing must create something. But this is a bit religious point of view. Nothing means nothing. This is practically impossible to create something out of this. Only a supernatural power can do it.

 

It has nothing to do with religion, it just shows in a hypothetical situation nothing can create something, it doesn't have any religious implications, well none I see, all it says is that based on mathematics theoretically nothing could create something, or best defined that true nothing does not exist and that something must exist possibly?

[John Cuthber]

Never mind that you won't accept that 1/0 is not defined, let's have a look at the rest of your post.

 

"Although its hypothetical, if nothing existed in fact, then maybe this equation could be the reason for everything."

 

If nothing existed then that equation wouldn't exist- so it couldn't be the reason for anything.

[lemur]

But 1 = 0.9999.... and 1 = 1.0000.......1 so 1 - 1 can equals 1.00000.....1 - 1 = 0.0000....1 so 0.000....1 x Infinity = 1 yet 0.000....1 = 0 so 0 x Infinity = 1 hence if 0 x Infinity = 1 then 1 divided by 0 = Infinity? or is this incorrect.

You were basing fundamental philosophical meanings of number-relations on rounded versions of the numbers? That's cheating. 0 + 0 + 0 . . . ad infinitum = 0. One can't be divided by zero because an infinite number of zeros will never add up to one. 0/0 would be senseless because any number of zeros would sum to zero. Regardless of how many or few zeros you chose to answer the question, you'd be right, yet you'd still be wrong insofar as there was another answer that could sum up to zero as well.

 

Creation is an epistemological concept related to the dichotomies new/existing and active/passive. New things that are actively made are referred to as "creation." New things that are passively found are referred to as "discoveries." Existing things that are actively made into something new are called "innovations" "transformations," "reforms," etc. while existing things that are viewed to passively transform of their own internal processes are called "evolving." I think this pretty much sums up the logic of creation vs. similar concepts but I might have left out something(s).

[rktpro]

Why can't we have a practical shot here. Create a vacuum inside a bell jar and now think how something might be created. Beware you can use no other chemical or even the contents of bell jar. Only the vacuum is yours!

[ydoaPs]

Why can't we have a practical shot here. Create a vacuum inside a bell jar and now think how something might be created. Beware you can use no other chemical or even the contents of bell jar. Only the vacuum is yours!

That's actually an experiment that's been done. However, you need a measuring device as well. In this case, it was two uncharged plates. The 'vacuum energy' that pulls the plates together is due to virtual particles popping into existence from nothingness. However, this is unrelated to the OP. It's a case of the right answer for the wrong reason.

[Cap'n Refsmmat]

But 1 = 0.9999.... and 1 = 1.0000.......1 so 1 - 1 can equals 1.00000.....1 - 1 = 0.0000....1 so 0.000....1 x Infinity = 1 yet 0.000....1 = 0 so 0 x Infinity = 1 hence if 0 x Infinity = 1 then 1 divided by 0 = Infinity? or is this incorrect.

Your problem is here:

 

1 - 1 = 0.0000....1

 

There are an infinite number of 0s that go first, so you can never reach that 1 at the end. It's only 0.999 infinitely repeating that is equal to 1.

[alpha2cen]

Why we do not make very small number?

Very big number : infinity.

Very small number infinitesimal : 0<

i.e., 0<; 0.000...01

 

For example

1/(0< )= infinity

1/0 =/ infinity, not defined

 

This concept is easy to understand for students.

The concept is very clear than infinity.

Edited February 13, 2011 by alpha2cen

[Mr Skeptic]

But 1 = 0.9999.... and 1 = 1.0000.......1 so 1 - 1 can equals 1.00000.....1 - 1 = 0.0000....1 so 0.000....1 x Infinity = 1 yet 0.000....1 = 0 so 0 x Infinity = 1 hence if 0 x Infinity = 1 then 1 divided by 0 = Infinity? or is this incorrect.

 

There is no 0.0000....1 nor 1.0000....1, any more than there is an end to something endless.

 

Some real numbers have two ways you can write them, which is little different than five = 5 = V = cinco = 5.0 = 4.99999... = the third prime number = (any other way you feel like representing the number 5)

[DrRocket]

Imagine a world were literally nothing existed, something never came into existence and there is just infinite nothing, well you then realized based on maths that even nothing must produce something because:

 

1 divided by 0 = Infinity

thus 0 x Infinity = 1

 

and 0 = nothing & 1 = something thus 0 x Infinity = Infinite nothing which equals to 1 thus

 

eternal nothing = 1 something

 

just as

 

Infinity x 0 = 1

 

so in other words eternal nothing must produce 1/Infinite the size of the nothing of something, thus nothing must create something.

 

Although its hypothetical, if nothing existed in fact, then maybe this equation could be the reason for everything.

 

This argument would be more convincing if at least one of the statements in the premise were true. Such is not the case.

Edited February 13, 2011 by DrRocket

[michel123456]

That's actually an experiment that's been done. However, you need a measuring device as well. In this case, it was two uncharged plates. The 'vacuum energy' that pulls the plates together is due to virtual particles popping into existence from nothingness. However, this is unrelated to the OP. It's a case of the right answer for the wrong reason.

 

Great. That was the answer I expected in another thread question 2.

 

We are accelerating.

[RealFunnyFungi]

i guess something exists from nothing is more related to physics...

[Mindrust]

The concept looked interesting at first, but several problems emerged after thinking about it.

 

First,

 

1/0 = undefined ; 1/(number close to zero) = infinity

 

That means there must be at least something, an infinitely small amount of energy, if you will.

 

The second problem is, even if we say 1/0 = infinity, then

 

(1/0) x 0 = infinity x 0

= 1 x 0 = infinity x 0

= infinity x 0 = 0

 

Why? Because 0/0 does not equal to 1 as you assume in your initial calculation. 0/0 = 0. One could even say it's undefined.

 

Third, if you want to get really technical, 0 does not equal nothing, in mathematics. There is another symbol to represent that.

[Bignose]

1/(number close to zero) = infinity

 

No. If the number is "close to zero" but not actually zero, then 1 over that number is not infinite. It may be very, very large. But it is NOT infinite.

[Mindrust]

No. If the number is "close to zero" but not actually zero, then 1 over that number is not infinite. It may be very, very large. But it is NOT infinite.

 

You're right, what I meant to say was: as x approaches zero, 1/x = infinity.

Edited May 1, 2011 by Mindrust

[Realitycheck]

Edit: I didn't realize this was the math section.

Edited May 2, 2011 by Realitycheck

[rktpro]

That's actually an experiment that's been done. However, you need a measuring device as well. In this case, it was two uncharged plates. The 'vacuum energy' that pulls the plates together is due to virtual particles popping into existence from nothingness. However, this is unrelated to the OP. It's a case of the right answer for the wrong reason.

 

What name was given to the particles?

Edited May 3, 2011 by rktpro

[ydoaPs]

What name was given to the particles?

George

[rktpro]

George

 

Really? Link?

Edited May 3, 2011 by rktpro

[ydoaPs]

Really? Link?

No, not Link. I already told you. George.

[rktpro]

No, not Link. I already told you. George.

 

I couldn't get anything in Google either. Are you Kidding?

[TheLivingMartyr]

To be perfectly honest, the argument was flawed from the start, as both mathematically, and just due to common sense, 1/0 =/= infinity

If you think about it, 1/0 asks "How many zeroes must we add together to make one?" 1 x 0 = 0, 2 x 0 = 0, 100 x 0 = 0 .... n x 0 = 0 and most importantly, inf. x 0 = 0 as any amount of nothing still equals nothing. Even if your nothing goes on forever, it is still, by definition, NOTHING. therefore division by zero is impossible, and n/0 = undefinable, as you cannot distribute SOMETHING between NOTHING.

 

Interestingly enough however, although 0/0 is still undefinable according to maths, If you think about it in a less mathematical way, you are asking "How many zeroes must we add to make zero?" as we know that n x 0 = 0 ALWAYS, we can say that any number multiplied by zero equals zero. we can therefore say that:

"0/0 = any number"

obviously, this still means that 0/0 is undefinable, and is no use mathematically, but it is quite interesting to think about

 

I couldn't get anything in Google either. Are you Kidding?

 

They're literally just called "Virtual particles". They exist only as a way to uphold the uncertainty principle. to prevent the energy in a region of space equalling zero, and therefore being known, virtual particles "materialise" in matter/antimatter pairs, by borrowing energy from their surroundings, and then repaying in when they annihilate, almost immediately afterwards. this keeps a small, but non-zero and unpredictable flow of energy through any region of space.