Our civilization must collapse via war!

[Dean Mullen]

According to physicists once we reach a Type II civilization stage nothing known to science can destroy us. only ourselves of course or another Type II or Type III civilization and yet the second law of thermodynamics confirms we must end someday. Nothing lasts forever! But this means we must end by destroying ourselves or another Type II or Type III civilization will destroy us. And the only way a civilization can destroy itself or destroy another civilization is either via a disaster or a war. Yet I doubt a single disaster could wipe out an inter-stellar or perhaps inter-galactic civilization. So the conclusion from this is that our civilization if we survive to become a Type II civilization must collapse via a war.

[swansont]

According to physicists once we reach a Type II civilization stage nothing known to science can destroy us. only ourselves of course or another Type II or Type III civilization and yet the second law of thermodynamics confirms we must end someday. Nothing lasts forever! But this means we must end by destroying ourselves or another Type II or Type III civilization will destroy us. And the only way a civilization can destroy itself or destroy another civilization is either via a disaster or a war. Yet I doubt a single disaster could wipe out an inter-stellar or perhaps inter-galactic civilization. So the conclusion from this is that our civilization if we survive to become a Type II civilization must collapse via a war.

 

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Moderator Note

I cannot fathom by what stretch of logic this is a cosmology or astronomy topic. Moved.

[Mr Skeptic]

The heat death of the universe will kill everything that's not already dead. Unless there's some civilization that finds a way to leave the universe or change the laws of physics, they die of, essentially, starvation.

[lemur]

According to physicists once we reach a Type II civilization stage nothing known to science can destroy us. only ourselves of course or another Type II or Type III civilization and yet the second law of thermodynamics confirms we must end someday.

First of all, what do you think it would mean to "destroy civilization?" "Civilization" is a classification of cultural patterns. Thermodynamics doesn't apply to patterns, only energy itself. You have to get more specific by what you mean with all this. Talking at this level of macro-social analysis sounds grand but is ultimately too vague to have real analytical value, imo.

 

 

Nothing lasts forever! But this means we must end by destroying ourselves or another Type II or Type III civilization will destroy us. And the only way a civilization can destroy itself or destroy another civilization is either via a disaster or a war. Yet I doubt a single disaster could wipe out an inter-stellar or perhaps inter-galactic civilization. So the conclusion from this is that our civilization if we survive to become a Type II civilization must collapse via a war.

Even if a war was fought and lost, it would involve submission to some other "flag," and unless all survivors of the war were eliminated, they would be re-integrated in some way(probably after re-education) and it would ultimately be more like a merging of two civilizations than total destruction. From a macro-perspective, it seems fathomable that global humanity is divided into neatly partitioned societies with separate/distinct cultures, etc. But in reality, there is a lot of overlap and very little deep cultural homogeneity. Have you been watching 2012 and movies like that? (I haven't seen it but I've heard it's a total-destruction scenario).

 

 

[Dean Mullen]

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Moderator Note

I cannot fathom by what stretch of logic this is a cosmology or astronomy topic. Moved.

 

This is the only place I could put it. Civilizations travel through the stars that is astronomy & cosmology?

[swansont]

This is the only place I could put it. Civilizations travel through the stars that is astronomy & cosmology?

 

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Moderator Note

No, you could have put it anywhere, but you chose astronomy and cosmology. Do astronomers or cosmologists study civilizations traveling through the stars? Do physicist, for that matter? (No) You premise is conjecture and you give no support to it whatsoever, so speculations is an option. Your conclusion is war, which is why I put this in politics. I can't really tell what direction you wanted to go with this. At this point, speculations seems a better option, so I will move it again. For most of your posts, it seems, that should be the destination you consider first. For anything that involves what-if, I'm developing an idea, I have an hypothesis, etc., there's a good chance it should go in speculations. Anything involving consciousness, memories or the brain should probably not go in physics.

 

Your continued posting of such topics in the physics section looks a bit like trolling. As of now I see 31 topics started, and a total of 48 posts (including at a minimum two off-topic procedural posts, including your post here), which means you are not actively participating in at least half of the threads you have started.

[michel123456]

which means you are not actively participating in at least half of the threads you have started.

 

Are they statistics about this? It seems to me it happens a lot, the opener to not participate in his own thread.