Encrypted Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Hello, I needed to survey a group of people for their opinion on some current political problem. I decided to do the one on Ken Bigley, since it is quite controversial. Please give your vote here and your reason if you'd like. I will give a full bibliography(so if you post your opinion and the reason for it, and i decide to include it in my project you will be mentioned in the bibliography.) Encrypted P.S This is for Socials Class, and I have two weeks left! So vote, vote, vote! And may i also ask Blike or Sayanora to make it so that this post is always first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mardigan Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 I voted because you cant give into terrorist. Trading many people for one is not risk worth taking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Encrypted, you know better than to post the same thread in multiple forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Encrypted Posted September 29, 2004 Author Share Posted September 29, 2004 Hmmm..... So far i have only got nos. Anyone care to give me their opinion? Encrypted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Encrypted Posted September 29, 2004 Author Share Posted September 29, 2004 Well...i need to make this really public. I need to make have a survey or ill only get a minimum of 75% on my project. Which will bring my mark down alot. Encrypted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Encrypted Posted September 29, 2004 Author Share Posted September 29, 2004 Hmm... But it is only female prisoners. Encrypted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnB Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Encrypted, while it may sound trite, you can't give in to terrorists. Period. If you do it once, it proves that kidnapping (or whatever tactic they are using) works. If they feel the tactic works, they will continue to use it. Also, if you give in, at some point in the future you eventually have to say "No". i.e. They demand changes to the internal policies of your nation. (Note this was a recent demand of kidnappers concerning the French internal policies.) Where will you draw the line? How will you explain to the relatives of the hostage that you gave in before to save lives but refuse to do it now? It must be made clear that the tactic of taking hostages will not work and therefore should be abandoned as unproductive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Posting the same poll in more than one thread is counter-productive. People will generally vote in one or the other, then one gets deleted - so you lose some of your results. Or people vote for opposing options to deliberately mess up your results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atinymonkey Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 It must be made clear that the tactic of taking hostages will not work [/i'] and therefore should be abandoned as unproductive. Yup, that's about the crux of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Anyone who voted in the same thread that was posted in General Discussions will have to vote again, as I have merged the threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atinymonkey Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Hmm... But it is only female prisoners. Sorry, but isn't that grossly sexist? Plus, is this homework help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 i voted no because you cannot give into terrorism, if we give over the prisoners the terrorists will think, right this seems to work, lets release this guy [hostage] capture another one and release all of our friends in jail! you cannot give into terrorism like that, once you give in to their demands or are scared of them, thats when they have won. terrorists do not get what they want. for global safety it must stay that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 I need to make have a survey or ill only get a minimum of 75% on my project. You'll get credit for doing an online poll, which is a massively unscientific method of polling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edisonian Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 I say we should release the prisoners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 I say we should release the prisoners. why if we comply to hostage takers demands, they will take more hostages to allow for more of their demands to be met. its a road we must never go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drz Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Encrypted, while it may sound trite, you can't give in to terrorists. Period. If you do it once, it proves that kidnapping (or whatever tactic they are using) works. If they feel the tactic works, they will continue to use it. This is faulty logic. If for not other reason then because they have already kidnapped, and beheaded people, and did not get their way. So they try it again, and again, and again. Its a catch 22, I understand what you mean in that "they see their method works", however, if their method does not work, they continue to try, try again. I think they should be released, however, not allowed in the middle east. Release them on some sort of probation, house arrest type thing, in like, South Carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARDBATTY Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 I think we should give in to all terrorism and then when its all screwed up become terrorists because they screwed it up and see how they like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 I voted Other. we should waste them and publish it on the internet too, it seems to be the only language they understand, and if they they want to play hard ball, maybe they`ll think twice if we play back!, it`ll shock the crap out of them for a start! ok, so maybe 2 wrongs don`t make a right, I know this, BUT it`ll buy "pause for thought"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drz Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Terrorism is as old as society. As long as their have been a group of prosperous people, and another group of not so prosperous people, we've been killing one another. I don't think there is an answer to defeating terrorism. All we can truly do is defend against it. Even if we someday conquer all of Al queda, there will be another group to take its place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drz Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 you know YT, thats a halfway good idea. However, with our special effects in movies, we should just make it appear we wasted them. Make some Hellboy looking super soldier come in a shred what looks like the ppl. THen they can fear our new soldier, and what he will do to them if they do not stop. And still put the womens on probation in South Carolina. oh ya, I'm the other other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Encrypted Posted September 30, 2004 Author Share Posted September 30, 2004 Wow! This is excellent. So many answers, I'll have to rethink how i will present my project. Maybe i will presnet it in a 'debate' like form. Keep it up, this is excellent. Encrypted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callipygous Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 Sorry, but isn't that grossly sexist? i think he meant "only the female prisoners" to mean "only some of them," as in its not like were releasing EVERY prisoner, not "hey they're just women..." and YT, thats my general belief, but no one i talk to seems to agree with me... something about "just making more terrorists" (?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Encrypted Posted September 30, 2004 Author Share Posted September 30, 2004 Thankyou for clarifying that for me. That is exactly what i meant, but i forgot to adress that point. Encrypted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAL Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 I suspect the terrorists don’t really expect the women to be released. There are only two of them and both of them were Saddam’s lackeys. I think they’re doing this for the PR value, trying to show less-informed Muslims they are protecting Muslim womanhood from Godless heretics. If anything I feel worse for Bigley than for the two Americans who were executed. They were killed fairly quickly. Bigley’s being led to believe that there is at least a hope if he pleads hard enough, abjectly enough… There is no hope. This is only another form of torture carried out on the world stage instead of a darkened police room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicMX Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 I voted yes because, no one has the right to go into any country. There were no nuclear nor chemical weapons (for masive destruction), so the ****ing terrorist at my eyes are the ****ing american army and the ****ing british army and spanish one, and the people that supported that. Then who are the terrorist. That topic make me sick. Why did american army did not search for "Bin Laden" and that stuff....? because..... the petroleum.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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