New theory of light and aether

[serudr]

Light as a wave needs a medium of propagation. The aether is the medium through which propagate light waves. Light shows a surprising number of properties that were difficult to explain relatively to the aether, but which must appear as naturals, a normal result of the properties of aether. The aether must support the phenomena related to light, particles and their interactions.

 

1) The first property of light is the fact that it is a transverse wave.

 

The light spreads inside the aether, so should be a longitudinal wave. Also, given the enormous velocity of light, the aether should have a considerable density, so it should be detectable. How is it possible for a transverse wave to propagate within the aether? The explanation lies in analyzing how a transverse wave propagates, in understanding what essentially a transverse wave is.

 

The transverse wave propagates to the surface of environment, the oscillation occurring perpendicular to the direction of advance. Looking at the water surface where waves are, we actually notice that not the entire volume of water vibrates, but only its surface. The water surface is a plan, a two-dimensional space and the vibration occurs in the external environment, the air, which is a three-dimensional space. The transverse wave from surface of water are a vibration of a two-dimensional space in a three-dimensional space, and by extension a transverse wave is a vibration of a space with n dimensions into a space with n+1 dimensions.

 

Thus, the aether is a three-dimensional environment, the space itself, and the transverse vibration of light is performed in a space with four dimensions. The aether is not being driven by the movement of bodies.

 

Light is a form of transition from the three-dimensional space, the aether, to the space with four dimensions. As a general rule, the transition from a space with n dimensions to a space with n+1 dimension occurs by curving the n-dimensional space.

 

2) The second property of light is the constancy of velocity of light regardless of velocity of source or the observer.

 

The fact that the velocity of light is constant regardless of velocity of source is a normal property of waves and is a result of immobility of aether. Weirdest is the fact that velocity of light is constant regardless of observer's velocity, fact which is proved by the Michelson-Morley experiment. We will review this property.

 

Normally, must be applied the classical velocity-addition formula, so the observed velocity of light will be smaller in the direction of advancing. In reality it is found that the velocity of light is constant and equal to c, as the observer would be immobile referring to the light.

 

Classical velocity-addition formula applies to observers who are in motion in the same type of space, three-dimensional for example. But the light moves in a three-dimensional space and the observer moves in a space with four dimensions. It's about a transformation of coordinates from a space with n dimension to a space with n +1 dimension, knowing that the transition from an n-dimensional space to n+1-dimensional space takes place by curving the n-dimensional space. A straight line in n-dimensional space is a curved line in n+1-dimensional space.

 

Initially, we have an observer and a wave light that are moving in the same direction, they are meeting in the point C.

 

When the observer increases its velocity, normally the light needs to travel a longer distance and longer time until it reaches the observer (AB). The fact that the velocity of light appears to be constant and equal to c, can be explained by the fact that the observer, although it increased its velocity, went on a curve trajectory and not on a straight line, so that the velocity gain of observer is offset by the increase distance obtained by curving trajectory (AB'C), time to cross being the same. It's like saying that although the observer goes faster, he arrives at the same time at the intersection point ©, as result of a roundabout way. So the light travels a shorter distance to the intersection than normal (AC).

 

 

 

 

 

It compares the path of observer in space with four dimensions to the path of light in the three-dimensional space. AB is the distance to be covered normally by light, AC is the actual distance traveled by light and BC is the difference of path as result of observer's velocity v.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

These transformation equations from the aether as three-dimensional space to the space four-dimensional correspond to the set of special relativity equations, are valid only when relate the observer's motion to the light and have the value of a mathematical exercise.

 

The light's velocity appears to be constant and equal to c for the observer as a fact that light travels in a three-dimensional space and the observer travels in a four-dimensional space.

 

Similar are derived the other known equations from special relativity.

 

3) The third property is the corpuscular aspect of light, the wave-particle duality, a fact highlighted by a series of experiences like the external photoelectric effect and Compton effect.

 

When light waves interact with obstacles which comparable size with the wavelength, becomes a standing wave. One such obstacle can be an energy barrier, like a material particle or an energy field.

 

This explanation is supported by the fact that aspect of particle of light manifests strongly for small wave lengths and is virtually nonexistent for large wave lengths.

 

4) The fourth property is the fact that light is an electromagnetic wave, consisting of an electric and a magnetic field.

 

Considering a spherical field of longitudinal waves that propagate in water, can be seen that the wave front who is reaching the water surface forms a transverse wave that will be propagate along with the longitudinal wave, as a result of it. It is the same for light.

 

The electric field exists around the particles that contain electrical charge and has an individual existence and can be considered as field of longitudinal waves in the aether.

 

The magnetic field appears only as a result of electric field variation and does not exist by itself without an electric field which generates it and maintains it permanently.

 

The magnetic field is the transverse component of light, representing the curved aether as a three-dimensional space in a space with four dimensions.

 

The model of electromagnetic waves propagation is: the electric and magnetic field oscillate in phase perpendicular to each other and perpendicular to the direction of wave propagation and are generating one another. A longitudinal wave that is propagating in three-dimensional space generates a transverse wave in the four-dimension space, and vice versa. The idea is the same, namely that what is a right line in a n-dimensional space represents a curve in a n +1- dimensional space.

Edited March 28, 2011 by serudr

[ecoli]

False premise!

[swansont]

Are we at rest with respect to the ether, or moving? How would one determine this?

 

Your work comes pre-falsified.

[serudr]

BThe full theory can be found here. This is not a link, you need to copy and paste in the browser [link removed]

Edited March 28, 2011 by Klaynos
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[ydoaPs]

The full theory can be found here

 

[bye bye link]

Rather than shove us to your personal site(which is against the rules), how about you answer swansont:

 

Are we at rest with respect to the ether, or moving? How would one determine this?

 

Your work comes pre-falsified.

[serudr]

The existences of matter involves the existences of motion. The bodies are in motion.

[ydoaPs]

The existences of matter involves the existences of motion. The bodies are in motion.

Experiment says you're wrong; we are not in motion with respect to any luminiferous aether. However, experiment also shows that we're also not stationary with respect to any luminiferous aether. That's what swansont meant when he said your ideas came pre-falsified.

Edited March 28, 2011 by ydoaPs

[serudr]

We are moving, but that's what we have when we measure the speed of light, which appears to be constant. It is like we are at rest.

[Klaynos]

We are moving, but that's what we have when we measure the speed of light, which appears to be constant. It is like we are at rest.

 

But sometimes we're moving in the other direction. Damn you pesky orbits! Have a look at the mm experiment. References will be about 100 years ago.

[serudr]

You're moving in a space with 4 dimensions, while the light is moving in a space with 3 dimensions

[Klaynos]

Show mathematically how that helps.

[serudr]

We can not compare the motion of observer to the motion of the light like there are both moving in the same space. What are we comparing is the projection of motion of observer to the motion of light. From A to B, the light is moving in straight, while the observer is moving on a curve, meaning a dimension more.

[Edtharan]

"Light as a wave needs a medium of propagation."

 

This is your initial premise. However, you never prove it must be so. Thus, if we can disprove this premise, then your entire argument is disproved.

 

Light is an electromagnetic wave. This can be shown in how it interacts with electricity and with magnetism.

 

A wave is a regular variation that moves through a medium, such as water wave through water. However, the medium does not have to have a positive value, it can be at potential of 0. With a potential of 0, the medium can be said not to exist as it has no potential to do anything at that point.

 

A light wave, is a regular variation in the electromagnetic field. As such, there is no need to introduce a substance that has no effect on light and is not needed for it to function the way we know it to be, thus any "aether" is a completely redundant term and according to Occam's razor, we can get rid of it.

 

As everything about light can be explained without reference to an aether, your entire post becomes disproven)as your post requires that the aether explain the properties of light).

[Klaynos]

You've not answered my question.

[swansont]

Nor mine.

[serudr]

"Light as a wave needs a medium of propagation."

 

This is your initial premise. However, you never prove it must be so. Thus, if we can disprove this premise, then your entire argument is disproved.

 

Light is an electromagnetic wave. This can be shown in how it interacts with electricity and with magnetism.

 

A wave is a regular variation that moves through a medium, such as water wave through water. However, the medium does not have to have a positive value, it can be at potential of 0. With a potential of 0, the medium can be said not to exist as it has no potential to do anything at that point.

 

A light wave, is a regular variation in the electromagnetic field. As such, there is no need to introduce a substance that has no effect on light and is not needed for it to function the way we know it to be, thus any "aether" is a completely redundant term and according to Occam's razor, we can get rid of it.

 

As everything about light can be explained without reference to an aether, your entire post becomes disproven)as your post requires that the aether explain the properties of light).

 

We said that the light is an electromagnetic wave, but we don't go for a deep understanding, to explain what the electric and magnetic fields are, we just accept the definition that are "forms of existences of matter". And this explanation was accepted later, after the failure to prove the existence of aether, and only in the purpose to have an image about what these fields can be. This is not an explanation, just a compromise.

The existence of aether involves that the electric and magnetic fields are also waves.

 

You've not answered my question.

 

We need to speak always only about the measured speed of light relatively to the observer.

 

Imagine an experiment: a light wave which comes from sun to earth, and an observer who moves in the same direction with 99.99% from speed of light. In this case, the observer and the light will arrive almost in the same moment on earth. But if the observer measure the speed of light relatively to him, will obtain the normal value c, as he is in rest in respect to the light. This does not mean that he is truly in rest, is just what he get when he make the measure.

 

Let's take the example of a train in motion with the speed v, and an observer in the middle of the train which launches two light waves, one to the front and one to the back. O is the observer, A the front of the train and D the back. At a given speed, the light will meet the front in C in the interval time t1 and the back in E in t2.When the speed increases, we can expect that the light will meet later the front in B and sooner the back in F. But how the front and the back are moving on curves trajectories relatively to the light, means that all gain of speed will be lost, and the light waves will arrive in the same interval of time t1 in the front and t2 in the back.

 

When the train is in rest, the two times interval t1 and t2 will be equals between them, so when the train increases the speed, will continue to be constant and equals between them, like the train is in rest.

[serudr]

Am I the only person who still believe in the existence of aether?

[John Cuthber]

Am I the only person who still believe in the existence of aether?

Yes, at least around here you are.

 

You could ask again here.

http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

[serudr]

That's a joke

[insane_alien]

the ideas ARE at a similar evidence level.

[michel123456]

Am I the only person who still believe in the existence of aether?

 

Look here , from an address delivered on May 5th, 1920, in the University of Leyden.

 

Anyone should read this.

Edited April 7, 2011 by michel123456

[serudr]

I would like to think that the idea of the aether like three-dimensional space (meaning the vacuum space) will open new perspectives in the physics. Phenomens that can be difficult to be interpreted, may be will find new explanations.This new model of aether does not come in contradiction with special relativity, on the contrary comes to support it.

Edited April 7, 2011 by serudr

[swansont]

I would like to think that the idea of the aether like three-dimensional space (meaning the vacuum space) will open new perspectives in the physics. Phenomens that can be difficult to be interpreted, may be will find new explanations.This new model of aether does not come in contradiction with special relativity, on the contrary comes to support it.

 

Then how about answering my questions? Are we moving or at rest with respect to the ether?

[36grit]

Scientists and physicist say things like space/time and then deny the aether. For me it is quite obvious that time is the aether of the universe. They'll tell you that time is expanding but it does not exist as any kind of physical entity. They will tell you that the universe is four dimensional, there is length, width, depth, and time. But isn't time in and of itself three dimensional? There is the past, present, and the future. It's a shame in my opinion. A darn shame. How will we ever learn to travel the stars without a comprehensive physical understanding of the aether of distance between them ?

When a star redshifts or blue shifts, is it not a matter of time expanding out of matter and stretching and compressing in waves according to the direction of travel? How else can this be rationally explained? Did the nothingness of space stretch the light wave? Nothing can do nothing but time as the aether might explain a lot.

 

 

[Messenger]

I'm actually slightly surprised that no one has asked why this "Aether" only effects light. We know that Things with charge can be effected by Magnetic and Electrical fields and we also think that things with mass are effected by some sort of gravitational field or posibly something like the Higgs Boson, but what about light? Does this Aether effect light in similar ways? And if so, What aspect of light is it acting on. It's unlikely that it effects it based on electrical or magnetic charge, otherwise it would also effect ANYTHING with charge, right? Of course, I believe electrons and things like alpha decay act as both particles and transverse waves so could this Aether be the reason?

So i guess what I'm asking is: WHY does Aether effect light, if it exists, and in what way would it do so?