if we have cro magnon DNA whst colour hair and eyes did they have?

[beringar]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cro-Magnon

 

also what was there blood type and halopgroup.

 

please provide links and references.

 

someone must know

[insane_alien]

they probably had a variety just like us.

[beringar]

but what i'm saying there must be proof of this somewhere.

 

where is the proof of ther blood type halopgroup, eye colour and hair colour

 

i cant find the info anywhere which is rather strange! do you agree?

 

there must have been extensive dna tests done on these finds!

 

why no evidence available?

[insane_alien]

its not that strange.

 

DNA does not age very well as it is quite tasty to bacteria and will react with oxygen.

 

any early human DNA is at the very best, heavily fragmented and sparse.

[beringar]

The findings are the result of a four-year study in which researchers analysed 1.1 billion fragments of DNA taken from 40,000-year-old Neanderthal bones discovered in Russia, Spain, Germany and Croatia

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1273904/Neanderthal-DNA-reveals-ancestors-DID-interbreed-extinct-species.html

 

how come then they have no problem with neanderthal dna? they seem to have found out they had pale skin and red hair

 

A DNA study has concluded that some Neanderthals also had red hair,

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_hair

 

there must bexsome dna evidence of these early cro magnons, like bloodtype?

[NTettamanti]

Maybe this will help in finding out blood type? I know its unrelated to hair color (pardon the American-English spelling) and eye color.

 

A + B = You and Me

 

There is good evidence in world blood distribution for two separate groups in human evolution' date=' represented perhaps by Cro-Magnon Man on the one side and Neanderthal Man on the other side.

 

As noted by Lars Beckman (A Contribution to the Physical Anthropology and Population Genetics of Sweden: Lund, 1959, p. 21):

 

"The Early European race is characterized by a high per cent of Rh-negatives, a very low B-frequency and a relatively high A2 frequency... probably some connection with postglacial Cro-Magnon Man.... The Asiatic race is characterized by a high frequency of A1 and B and a low frequency of Rh-negatives..." (i.e. perhaps some connection to Neanderthal man).

 

Please Note: As noted by Herberdt Wendt, (In Search of Adam, Houghton-Mifflin: Boston, 1956) in spite of the historically unfounded and falsely bad reputation of Neanderthal Man, his cranial capacity "was amazingly large, 1300-1650 cc. in comparison with a range of 1100-1700 for modern European males."

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They can find some of the details of the DNA but not all; perhaps there simply hasn't been enough DNA research on these subjects so we don't have sufficient data? Maybe there is a huge opportunity for research here?

 

Edit, apparently we have found that information according to Beringar.

Edited April 22, 2011 by NTettamanti

[beringar]

yes it should be researched more. i'm interested in the development of blue eyes and blonde hair, what i have found that appears to explain it doesnt add up in my unique way of thinking

 

there are theorys about sexual selection playing a part see

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blond

 

cant see this being true!

 

If this was true then surely there would only be women around with big chests! hehe

 

how would you lot explain the appearance of blonde hair and blue eyes in mainly scandinavia?

 

thanks

 

no hang on i'm right

 

 

Europe's Ancestors: Cro-Magnon 28,000 Years Old Had DNA Like Modern Humans

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080715204741.htm

 

they must know the information must be somewhere

i'm sure i'm right there is something odd about this!

 

[Moontanman]

Cro-magnons were modern humans, where did you get the idea they were not us?

 

yes it should be researched more. i'm interested in the development of blue eyes and blonde hair, what i have found that appears to explain it doesnt add up in my unique way of thinking

there are theorys about sexual selection playing a part see

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blond

 

cant see this being true!

 

If this was true then surely there would only be women around with big chests! hehe

 

how would you lot explain the appearance of blond hair and blue eyes in mainly Scandinavia?

 

thanks

 

no hang on i'm right

 

 

Europe's Ancestors: Cro-Magnon 28,000 Years Old Had DNA Like Modern Humans

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080715204741.htm

 

they must know the information must be somewhere

i'm sure i'm right there is something odd about this!

 

 

Blue eyes developed about 8,000 years ago in the area near the black sea not Scandinavia.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-511473/All-blue-eyed-people-traced-ancestor-lived-10-000-years-ago-near-Black-Sea.html

 

From your own link

 

Natural lighter hair colors occur most often in Europe and less frequently in other areas.[22] In northern European populations, the occurrence of blond hair is very frequent. The hair color gene MC1R has at least seven variants in Europe giving the continent a wide range of hair and eye shades. Based on recent genetic information carried out at three Japanese universities, the date of the genetic mutation that resulted in blond hair in Europe has been isolated to about 11,000 years ago during the last ice age.[23]

 

A typical explanation found in the scientific literature for the evolution of light hair is related to the requirement for vitamin D synthesis and northern Europe's seasonal deficiency of sunlight.[24] Lighter skin is due to a low concentration in pigmentation, thus allowing more sunlight to trigger the production of vitamin D. In this way, high frequencies of light hair in northern latitudes are a result of the light skin adaptation to lower levels of sunlight, which reduces the prevalence of rickets caused by vitamin D deficiency. The darker pigmentation at higher latitudes in certain ethnic groups such as the Inuit is explained by a greater proportion of seafood in their diet. As seafood is high in vitamin D, vitamin D deficiency would not create a selective pressure for lighter pigmentation in that population.

 

I don't see a connection between blondes and cro-magnon man at all... and not all men like big boobs but all human women have big boobs compared to other apes like chimps or gorillas.

[Marat]

Mammals which walk upright have large breasts in the females, while those which do not have small breasts, since breast size actually has nothing to do with milk production, but serves solely for sexual attraction, and female breasts are only really visible in species walking upright. Thus pornography is natural. Blonde hair color is also sometimes explained as a result of selection for sexual attractiveness, since males found this variation piquant and so over-replicated its genes from an initially small number formed by spontaneous mutations.

[SMF]

Marat, do you have a scientific reference for your blond hair/sexual selection statement. I have never heard this. SM

[beringar]

i do think cro magnons are modern humans. I am simply trying to find evidence not opinions! of what colour there eyes where, why is this information not available?

[NTettamanti]

After digging a little deeper into journal records, I found this tidbit from the anthropology article "What Do We Know About Neanderthals and Cro-Magnon Man?" by Richard Klein:

The successors to the Neanderthals in Europe were the people we know popularly as the Cro-Magnons…they had always been modern in appearance… The Cro-Magnons require little description. Dressed in appropriate clothing, they would attract no special notice anywhere in the world today.

 

This seems to indicate that they probably have similar eye color and hair color to individuals that live in those areas; while its not conclusive proof it would be a good place to start. The article is pretty long, perhaps you can access it and then see if there is any enlightening information in it. (*cough* message me if you need access to a certain anthropology article...*cough*)

[Moontanman]

i do think cro magnons are modern humans. I am simply trying to find evidence not opinions! of what colour there eyes where, why is this information not available?

 

Beringer did you not read my post? I gave links to the very information you seek, cro-magnon man had brown eyes and brown hair and blondes and blue eyes have nothing to do with cro-magnon man....

[beringar]

So you don't believe this then?

 

Africans left Africa approximately 115,000 years ago before the ice age took hold in Europe, groups of them moved to Scandinavia, India,

Far East Asia & Australia. over 65,000 years In Scandinavia they evolved to scandinavians. They lived on the glacier in Scandinavia.This is possible to survive these

conditions because the eskimos do today.These scandinavians had blonde hair, blue eyes & white skin developed because of the dark icy environment. Then they moved

down into Europe before the ice age got worse. They moved into asia and mixed with the Indians, this formed the arabs. (Arabs are mostly Indian with a small part

Scandinavian, Light skin being dominant over dark skin). These arabs then moved west into north africa and from there north up in to spain italy and greece mixing

with the scandinavians there which formed the spanish the italians and the Greeks.Obviously brown hair and eyes being dominant over blonde hair and blue eyes

that why so many europeans have these features

 

Because we (europeans)are part indian.

 

 

[Moontanman]

So you don't believe this then?

 

Africans left Africa approximately 115,000 years ago before the ice age took hold in Europe, groups of them moved to Scandinavia, India,

Far East Asia & Australia. over 65,000 years In Scandinavia they evolved to scandinavians. They lived on the glacier in Scandinavia.This is possible to survive these

conditions because the eskimos do today.These scandinavians had blonde hair, blue eyes & white skin developed because of the dark icy environment. Then they moved

down into Europe before the ice age got worse. They moved into asia and mixed with the Indians, this formed the arabs. (Arabs are mostly Indian with a small part

Scandinavian, Light skin being dominant over dark skin). These arabs then moved west into north africa and from there north up in to spain italy and greece mixing

with the scandinavians there which formed the spanish the italians and the Greeks.Obviously brown hair and eyes being dominant over blonde hair and blue eyes

that why so many europeans have these features

 

Because we (europeans)are part indian.

 

 

No, it is demonstrably false, homo sapiens did not move out of Africa until around 50,000 years ago, that falsifies your entire premise.

[The Peon]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cro-Magnon

 

also what was there blood type and halopgroup.

 

please provide links and references.

 

someone must know

 

 

Check out my conclusions on the matter:

 

Why Europeans may have developed cold adaptation traits sooner than other "races"

 

The best part about that thread is now its proven to be fact that sapiens (out of Africa sapiens that is) contain Neanderthal DNA.

 

No, it is demonstrably false, homo sapiens did not move out of Africa until around 50,000 years ago, that falsifies your entire premise.

 

Really? I just watched a slew of documentaries about the Africa "exodus" and most put the event at 200,000 years ago. Not to mention Erectus seems to have left Africa almost immediately after arriving on the scene. Why wouldn't Sapien? May I see how this is demonstrably false?