atinymonkey Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 If that is the case' date=' why is the U.S. the most prosperous and one of the most politically stable governments in the world? [/quote'] The US is prosperous at the expense of other countries. Even inside America there is a vast divide between the rich and the vast groups of poverty stricken slum dwellers. Besides which, America has only been prosperous for 50 odd years which in the scheme of things is a short blip. If the history of economics teaches anything, it's that nobody ever stays on top. Wait for the oil to start running low in 15 years. *edit* China is well on course to overtake the US in 20 years: - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3732914.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi_of_9 Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 That's a good point... I had better brush up on my Cantonese...or is it Mandarin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1dermon Posted October 12, 2004 Author Share Posted October 12, 2004 manderin is the most popular language in the world, in terms of numbers of people who speak it as a first language. but yes, china is killing us, and guess what, we're giving it to them, by outsourcing all our jobs. socialists. arg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atinymonkey Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Mmmm, I don't think outsourcing of jobs it the sole reason. China is simply retaking it's economic place in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1veedo Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 My Careers book told us that outsourcing creates new jobs in the US. Probably higher paying jobs like administrative. I'm not sure on the details though :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangloss Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 My Careers book told us that outsourcing creates new jobs in the US. Sure it does. According to a recent story on ABC News, a dockworker at the Port of Los Angeles is now the single most desirable blue-colar job in the country. And train workers are being hired by the thousands. But somehow I don't think I'll be seeing the president champion this on the stump. (chuckle) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antip Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Forgetting about Bush and Kerry, I prefer the Republican party's philosophy. In my opinion, the Republicans lean toward the independence of the American people, where the Democrats lean toward the people being reliant on the Gov't......I.E. Socialism. wow, excellent statement ! Here is a self qoute from my post about lazy people: Here in the US the man who does not want to work is unfortunately supported by the democrats. Too many times I have witnessed a grown man sitting at home all day watching Kong-fu movies while his six children (from different females) are in daycare. This man is emptying my wallet and depleting my hard-earned money that I need to pay for my “privileged” healthcare. The democrats seem to build housing and provide all sorts of essentials for these “leaches.” We need to pull the plug on the lazy sonofabitch’s cable box and send him out to sink or swim in the real world! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 you know, thats a shame. at the same time, bush has cost you in the stock market. cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blike Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 bush has cost you in the stock market. At least he had a choice to opt-in and opt-out; he's forced to pay for someone's food stamps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 to be honest, i'd rather have a government dictate my fiscal choices as long as they are better than the alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blike Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Not me. I think this country was founded on the principle of personal responsibility, and I think that's the way it should stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antip Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 In fact, one of the major medical problems of the poor in this country is obesity. Figure that one out....kids have holes in their shoes, but the shopping cart is full of sodas, beer, chips, and other crap. I was a paramedic for 14 years in the Bay Area and Central California and not once did I ever pick up a patient who was suffering from starvation. I've seen 5 kids sleeping on a mattress on the floor, but the house had cable and a big screen television. The problems in this country is not caused by the leadership, it is the choices that people make. Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Nixon, Carter...it doesn't matter who is in office, people want to blame someone else for their own shortcomings. They do not want to take responsibility for themselves or their actions. This country chock full of people who believe that the government owes them. I apologize for not reading this reply prior to my commenting above. Folks this is the reality! To those on the democratic train you need to jump off and grab a valium, all you people seem to be full of anger. I think it’s a pity that most democrats (and many rebups too) are crying foul about the stock market while they have never made a worthwhile investment to understand the market. Naturally, the market directly or indirectly effects the entire population but please don’t cry over spilled milk that I purchased! I have made some bad investments, however I have received, a low tier but generous, education and was able to recognize my opportunities and stand up and continue my running. Does anyone remember Sept 11? Each one of us independent Americans realize the need to protect, provide and care for ourselves. 9/11 was a great blow to this nation, but who stood up to face the terrorists? ….and there will continue to be pitfalls along the way and yes it costs money to install an alarm system to protect our freedom. Democrats! Please stop the bickering, why couldn’t you all stand in line around ground zero rather than run into the streets and cause chaos. NYC didn’t need your added burden during the days of the RNC. I am sure you horses can get that aforementioned valium, perhaps Medicare will pay for it, or better why don’t you use your WIC coupons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 while they have never made a worthwhile investment to understand the market. i'm an economist, buddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mardigan Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 you know, thats a shame. at the same time, bush has cost you in the stock market. cheers! When did the president have the magical ability to wake up in the morning and cause Enrons, Martha Stewarts, so on so on. Lets not forget the late 90's bust of the great economic boom of the dot com industry. I still dont see how the president causes the stock market to go up or down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john5746 Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 I apologize for not reading this reply prior to my commenting above. Folks this is the reality! To those on the democratic train you need to jump off and grab a valium, all you people seem to be full of anger. I think it’s a pity that most democrats (and many rebups too) are crying foul about the stock market while they have never made a worthwhile investment to understand the market. Naturally, the market directly or indirectly effects the entire population but please don’t cry over spilled milk that I purchased! I have made some bad investments, however I have received, a low tier but generous, education and was able to recognize my opportunities and stand up and continue my running. Does anyone remember Sept 11? Each one of us independent Americans realize the need to protect, provide and care for ourselves. 9/11 was a great blow to this nation, but who stood up to face the terrorists? ….and there will continue to be pitfalls along the way and yes it costs money to install an alarm system to protect our freedom. Democrats! Please stop the bickering, why couldn’t you all stand in line around ground zero rather than run into the streets and cause chaos. NYC didn’t need your added burden during the days of the RNC. I am sure you horses can get that aforementioned valium, perhaps Medicare will pay for it, or better why don’t you use your WIC coupons? I thought AMERICANS were attacked and responded to 9/11. Didn't know it was political. I completely agree that most Americans are spoiled, including myself. But, if I am not going to pay for poor people here, I damn sure don't want to pay for poor Iraqis only to watch them dance 10 years from now when another attack happens. I am sorry, but I noticed things really picked up as we got near election time and as Bush started trailing. They should not be there more than one year in my opinion. I am socially liberal and fiscally conservative, Bush seems to be the opposite, with the exception of tax cuts, which are borrowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john5746 Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 could you please explain that? also' date=' could you define socialism for me? it seems like you are using the wrong definition.[/quote'] Socalism - government controls property and industry. I agree with you on the problems with capitalism, but I think America has a healthy degree of both of these systems. I think Capitalism is the best basis, since its foundation is individual freedom. Then, socialist influences can be added through tax code, etc to combat the problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 NYC didn’t need your added burden during the days of the RNC. I am sure you horses can get that aforementioned valium, perhaps Medicare will pay for it, or better why don’t you use your WIC coupons? The repub's also don't need the added burden of having their headquarters smashed up by the whacko's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 or just people who are pissed off at the bs our administration continues to give us. antip, add some rationality to your posts, please. we dont need that kind of slander around here. what's glorious is that if bush steals the election like he did 4 years ago, my family, friends and i will protest to no end, with people around the world. oh, and how we will be heard. you shall hear our words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blike Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 or just people who are pissed off at the bs our administration continues to give us. Well that excuses everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1dermon Posted October 13, 2004 Author Share Posted October 13, 2004 the president has a big effect on the stock market...we rely on independant defense companies(ratheon...lockheed martin...etc....) to supply us, and the govt always gets shafted and ends up paying billions. why do you think the defense companies were the only ones to do well immediately following 9/11? not only that, but the president controls imports and exports, at any given time, he could say he's cutting off all relations with china and the market would CRASH. everything we get is made over there...now all those companies who outsourced would be getting the shaft. thats BASIC economics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 Socalism - government controls property and industry. I agree with you on the problems with capitalism, but I think America has a healthy degree of both of these systems. I think Capitalism is the best basis, since its foundation is individual freedom. Then, socialist influences can be added through tax code, etc to combat the problems. words from one who has not studied socialism. socialism is capitalistic, actually. communism is not. socialism is capitalism with restrictions. a socialistic law present in the united states is the sherman antitrust act Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penticostal8 Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 I am a bush fan to the core, bush is a christian and that is why I am votting for him, Kerry is just not to be in office, I think its Gods plan for George Bush to be president. That is why I support Bush. Go Bush 04!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 Divine right, eh? I thought that was eliminated years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penticostal8 Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 Where did Kerry even come from? Just because he iwas in the war dosn't mean he will make a good president, we can't trust him, Bush has experiance in the feild, let him be presisdent, I just know America would be better with Gearge. Go Bush 04!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 funny you say that. where did bush come from? wait, is he the second coming? the fact that he served in vietnam isnt what makes me support him. you know, it's the issues that count. justify your statement that we cannot trust kerry. statements are completely invalid if not supported by evidence bush has experience screwing over the population of the united states. how the hell can you call bush a christian??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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