jsatan Posted October 11, 2004 Posted October 11, 2004 I few weeks back I order some barium nitrate off ebay. I was wondering the best way to make it burn nice and green? I had a quick try with plain sugar mix, but no luck. I'll take some pictures etc to show you the results..
YT2095 Posted October 11, 2004 Posted October 11, 2004 you`ll need to mix it with another more "sensitive" nitrate KNO3 for instance, that will lower the activation energy for the reaction. Barium Nitrate on it`s own is quite un-impressive, and using sugar as the reducer is just plain daft Charcoal and sulpher with a little dextrin is all you`ll need
jsatan Posted October 11, 2004 Author Posted October 11, 2004 Whats so bad about sugar. Too much of a burn?
YT2095 Posted October 12, 2004 Posted October 12, 2004 sugar when broken down by heat gives of water as well as carbon, water and fire don`t mix very well, so you may as well just use the carbon in the 1`st place and keep the reaction dry
Gilded Posted October 12, 2004 Posted October 12, 2004 "sugar when broken down by heat gives of water" Because sugars have a ratio of 2:1 of H and O, if someone didn't know. Pouring H2SO4 on sugar is a great way to demonstrate this. By the way, is the substance always a sugar if it has a 2:1 ratio of hydrogen and oxygen and some carbon?
YT2095 Posted October 12, 2004 Posted October 12, 2004 Sucrose: (table sugar) C12H22O11 when broken down is 12 parts carbon and 10 parts Water. Fructose: C6H12O6 Glucose: same as above Maltose: same as Sucrose Lactose: sams as Sucrose I can`t think of anymore, it does seem to follow a trend though
Gilded Posted October 12, 2004 Posted October 12, 2004 I like fructose, since it's easy to remember its composition, having as much C as O. It also tastes good! And fructose intolerance is probably a rarer case than lactose intolerance.
jsatan Posted October 12, 2004 Author Posted October 12, 2004 dextrose is another sugar, but I dont know the ratio.
YT2095 Posted October 12, 2004 Posted October 12, 2004 good point, I forgot about Dextrose actualy, we could be here all day long naming them! LOL http://www.scientificpsychic.com/fitness/carbohydrates.html don`t be put off by the URL name, it`ll just give you an idea of how deep the rabbit hole is with regard to Sugars
jsatan Posted October 12, 2004 Author Posted October 12, 2004 Yeah I know what you mean, you get the same sugar but have a beta and gamma type, which come together and blah blah you have water and a long chain of sugars, amalyse or something spelt like that, I studied them a few years back, loll Edit: amylose, lol. (my poor head)
YT2095 Posted October 12, 2004 Posted October 12, 2004 yeah, it`s a whole new can of worms, of a respectable size too (Ecomomy pack!). as for the original post, I hope now it`s clear why using Sugar isn`t such a great idea
jsatan Posted October 12, 2004 Author Posted October 12, 2004 Yeah it is, in my lacking of knowledge I knew that sugar and kno3 works so I just out of interest tried it again. But this is the way you learn. Also as I dont have any sulphur (shame on me) can I just use iron oxide in it's place? Ps thanks YT for that link, brings back somethings I forgot about,
YT2095 Posted October 12, 2004 Posted October 12, 2004 I personaly wouldn`t use the iron oxide, it`ll only serve to contaminate the Color further and will be of no benefit either, Iron Oxide is NOT a Sulpher replacement
Gilded Posted October 12, 2004 Posted October 12, 2004 "Arabinose" Silly name for a molecule if you ask me. Wow, those chains are complex. Well, organic chemistry hasn't ever been a great point of interest for me anyway.
YT2095 Posted October 12, 2004 Posted October 12, 2004 occasionaly you`re forced to use organic reagents in inorganic chem, making a LITTLE knowledge of it unaviodable. but yeah, like you, I`m not an Orgo chem lover either
jsatan Posted October 12, 2004 Author Posted October 12, 2004 lol. I love orgo chem, Thanks for that YT.
Gilded Posted October 12, 2004 Posted October 12, 2004 "lol. I love orgo chem" Bring the torches! We have A WITCH! BURN, YOU EVIL BLASPHEMER! j/k
YT2095 Posted October 12, 2004 Posted October 12, 2004 OI !!! I`m a Witch thank you very much!, I try NOT to get people "burned" where possible
Gilded Posted October 12, 2004 Posted October 12, 2004 Hehe, just had a sudden Monty Python-seizure. "What do we burn with witches?" "MORE WITCHES!"
YT2095 Posted October 12, 2004 Posted October 12, 2004 I just had a Ray Bradbury moment. we`ll burn the books to ashes then we`ll burn the ashes. Farenheight 451
jdurg Posted October 13, 2004 Posted October 13, 2004 I'm always amazed at how if you take a few -OH groups on sugar and replace them with a Cl atom, you get 'Splenda' which is an artificial sweetner. It's also something that a diabetic can safely ingest without causing problems, unlike the unsubstituted sugar.
jsatan Posted October 13, 2004 Author Posted October 13, 2004 Yeah what amazes me is that you can build a lot of things from just this hand full o sugars. brill.
YT2095 Posted October 13, 2004 Posted October 13, 2004 it IS actualy quite fantastic the amount of "sugar" or carbohydrate molecules that can be made with such a simple formula, I`de be more than certain that not ALL of them are even known yet, as the possibilities and combinations seems virtualy endless! due to this, post`s #14 and 15 were writen, Organic chem.... Naaah )
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