Why are so many Muslim countries poor countries?

[CaptainPanic]

Point taken but I am not convinced that increasing the wealth of islamic countries would signficantly decrease their political instability or poverty levels.

Again, I am not convinced that this is any different in other countries in the world. Over the last years, in almost every country in the world, the gap between rich and poor has grown.

But that's a different topic altogether. Probably best dealt with in another thread. My work here is done.

[WAXIQ]

I am a muslim and very much agree to certain points people make here...regarding procatination,laziness,lavish living..improper education..everybody in these countries is bounded by just religion and religion only..and nothing else..otherwise they would have killed one another as we will see in future..

[CaptainPanic]

I am a muslim and very much agree to certain points people make here...regarding procatination,laziness,lavish living..improper education..everybody in these countries is bounded by just religion and religion only..and nothing else..otherwise they would have killed one another as we will see in future..

Did you even read the whole thread, or did you just join our forum to troll around a bit?

 

Anyway, you score 10 points for stereotyping and having prejudices.

 

I am involved in this thread, so I only point to our board rules. Check especially section 2.1.c, regarding prejudices.

[M. Sidd]

I am surprised at the ignorance of some writers on this topic who are blaming the condition of Muslims on their religion. I will be very brief to point out that the world was plunged in the dark ages and it was the advent of Islam that brought about the renaissance. The modern world owes a debt of gratitude to Islam not only for the advancement of science and learning but also for the recognition of human rights and social justice. The plight of Muslims today  in some countries is not due to their following of Islam but due to the lack of adherence to basic tenets of the religion.

[Phi for All]

22 minutes ago, M. Sidd said:

The plight of Muslims today  in some countries is not due to their following of Islam but due to the lack of adherence to basic tenets of the religion.

To clarify, you're saying so many Muslims are poor because they don't follow the basics of Islam closely enough? What basic parts are not being followed that would make these countries, in general, more wealthy if they were followed?

[MigL]

1 hour ago, M. Sidd said:

I am surprised at the ignorance of some writers on this topic who are blaming the condition of Muslims on their religion ...  in some countries is not due to their following of Islam but due to the lack of adherence to basic tenets of the religion.

It is a shame that Muslim countries/Islamic cultures helped Europeans climb out of the Dark Ages, but then decided to stay there themselves.
The problem isn't Islam.
It is the overbearing control it has of their societies.
It is fully taken advantage of, by their leaders ( Religious or dictatorial ) to keep the population ignorant and subservient.

[iNow]

I’m super glad that an 8 year old thread from a poster who got banned has been necro’d to discuss this. 

[J.C.MacSwell]

2 hours ago, M. Sidd said:

I am surprised at the ignorance of some writers on this topic who are blaming the condition of Muslims on their religion. I will be very brief to point out that the world was plunged in the dark ages and it was the advent of Islam that brought about the renaissance. The modern world owes a debt of gratitude to Islam not only for the advancement of science and learning but also for the recognition of human rights and social justice. The plight of Muslims today  in some countries is not due to their following of Islam but due to the lack of adherence to basic tenets of the religion.

...and maintaining it through the Dark Ages. +1 for that part.

[dimreepr]

11 hours ago, M. Sidd said:

The modern world owes a debt of gratitude to Islam not only for the advancement of science and learning but also for the recognition of human rights and social justice. 

Indeed it does and we can still learn a lot from the Quran...

12 hours ago, M. Sidd said:

The plight of Muslims today  in some countries is not due to their following of Islam but due to the lack of adherence to basic tenets of the religion.

Have you learned nothing from that great book?

[joigus]

 

13 hours ago, Phi for All said:

What basic parts are not being followed that would make these countries, in general, more wealthy if they were followed?

Very interested in the answer to this question.

[Hans de Vries]

Not all Muslim countries are poor. Turkey and Malaysia are not. Iran is also doing a lot of pretty amazing things despite being under an economic blockade for 40 years. 

The problem is really with Arab countries.

Arabic speaking countries have been until recently tribal societies with little in terms of national consciousness among the population. Their borders are also set rather arbitrarily.

The Arab Nationalism movement which ws dominant in 1950s-70s had mixed results. 

[John Cuthber]

57 minutes ago, Hans de Vries said:

Their borders are also set rather arbitrarily.

LOL

Apart from island states, almost all national borders are arbitrary.

[dimreepr]

1 hour ago, Hans de Vries said:

The problem is really with Arab countries.

The problem is with wealthy country's and their tendencies to monetise poverty.

Islam tried to stop that.

[Hans de Vries]

53 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

The problem is with wealthy country's and their tendencies to monetise poverty.

Islam tried to stop that.

Yes.

When Arab Socialism failed, people started looking at an alternative. Islamism seemed to be the natural answer. 

You either have to make Arab Socialism much more successful or provide a viable alternative. 

[dimreepr]

2 minutes ago, Hans de Vries said:

When Arab Socialism failed

When did that happen?

4 minutes ago, Hans de Vries said:

You either have to make Arab Socialism much more successful or provide a viable alternative. 

I don't have to provide anything, for tomorrow to happen; a viable alternative is, we evaluate success and investigate why it's necessary for tomorrow to happen... 

[Hans de Vries]

In 1970s it was already clear that Arab Socialism is not delivering the sort of economic success people expected it to deliver. Military failure of the Six Day War contributed to it.

 

For the future the best thing is for Saudi Arabia and allies to stop funding Islamists all around the world. 

[dimreepr]

3 minutes ago, Hans de Vries said:

In 1970s it was already clear that Arab Socialism is not delivering the sort of economic success people expected it to deliver. Military failure of the Six Day War contributed to it.

 

For the future the best thing is for Saudi Arabia and allies to stop funding Islamists all around the world. 

How do you define a terrorist?

Economic success is like asking; why doesn't a lottery win, lead to a happy me?

[Hans de Vries]

Easy. Terrorist - a person that engages in violence for the sake of political gain

 

Why wouldn't a wealthier Middle East lead to a happier Middle East? A main part of why the Arab Spring happened had to do with economy. Very similar sort of thing to the one that fuelled support for the Nazis in 1930s Germany

Edited June 18, 2021 by Hans de Vries

[dimreepr]

13 minutes ago, Hans de Vries said:

Easy. Terrorist - a person that engages in violence for the sake of political gain

 

What is easy; a politician that can so easily manipulate you...

Just because you fear tomorrow won't happen... 😉 

[MigL]

4 hours ago, dimreepr said:

The problem is with wealthy country's and their tendencies to monetise poverty.

Money is an exchange between two entities.
If someone offers you money and you take it, you are both complicit.
Blaming one side only is raather silly.

[CharonY]

6 hours ago, Hans de Vries said:

Not all Muslim countries are poor. Turkey and Malaysia are not. Iran is also doing a lot of pretty amazing things despite being under an economic blockade for 40 years. 

The problem is really with Arab countries.

Arabic speaking countries have been until recently tribal societies with little in terms of national consciousness among the population. Their borders are also set rather arbitrarily.

The Arab Nationalism movement which ws dominant in 1950s-70s had mixed results. 

I think folks in the first page of this thread have already highlighted that this not true. In terms of GDP per capita some of the richest countries in the world are Arab countries. 

 

[Hans de Vries]

7 minutes ago, CharonY said:

I think folks in the first page of this thread have already highlighted that this not true. In terms of GDP per capita some of the richest countries in the world are Arab countries. 

 

It is not hard to be rich if you're sitting on largest oil reserves in the world. 

[Phi for All]

50 minutes ago, MigL said:

Money is an exchange between two entities.
If someone offers you money and you take it, you are both complicit.
Blaming one side only is raather silly.

I disagree. There are other existing factors you're ignoring.

If I'm sitting on boatloads of cash, and you're in bad financial straights and can't afford to keep your house, my offer to you of fifty cents on the dollar might be the best you can get right now. You may be forced to accept my offer, but I don't think that makes you complicit in this shitty deal. I could also be using my money to make sure you don't get other offers, or make you even more desperate to sell. There are plenty of predatory practices, and I think there are times when one side has ALL the blame. What are you supposed to do, refuse the deal and starve in a home you can't afford?

[zapatos]

12 minutes ago, Hans de Vries said:

It is not hard to be rich if you're sitting on largest oil reserves in the world. 

No one is denying this. However, you can't arbitrarily decide to eliminate random sources of wealth in your evaluation.

It is also hard not to be rich if you inherit your wealth. How rich is America if we eliminate all wealth gained from inheritance?

[Prometheus]

15 minutes ago, Hans de Vries said:

It is not hard to be rich if you're sitting on largest oil reserves in the world. 

I'll remind Venezuela.