corrupt politics

[Athena]

I thought things would go badly when the US continued to cut taxes during a time of war, but it never occurred to me congress would agree to pay for war, but not budget for it. How could they do this? Personally I think everyone who voted for paying for war without insisting this cost be in the budget, should be voted out of office.

 

John Boehner seems to me the most corrupt man ever, as he lays blame for the mess the Bush administration got us in on Obama, and says nothing about the war debt being part of our national debt problem, because somehow congress approved of the spending but not how to cover the cost, pushing the problem of paying for the wars into the future.

 

Watch our war debt grow

http://costofwar.com/en/

Edited July 26, 2011 by Athena

[Realitycheck]

Then, after decades of entitlements and inflation, he/they want to target all of these seniors who had all of this tax deducted from their paychecks, year after year, decade after decade, as a solution to their own financial mismanagement, warmongering, and interest payments, not to mention all of the special interest stuff done in the name of attracting investment.

Edited July 27, 2011 by Realitycheck

[Brainteaserfan]

I thought things would go badly when the US continued to cut taxes during a time of war, but it never occurred to me congress would agree to pay for war, but not budget for it. How could they do this? Personally I think everyone who voted for paying for war without insisting this cost be in the budget, should be voted out of office.

 

John Boehner seems to me the most corrupt man ever, as he lays blame for the mess the Bush administration got us in on Obama, and says nothing about the war debt being part of our national debt problem, because somehow congress approved of the spending but not how to cover the cost, pushing the problem of paying for the wars into the future.

 

Watch our war debt grow

http://costofwar.com/en/

Not to defend Mr. Boehner, but....

didn't Obama get us into the Libya war? And then when Mr. Boehner has a budget that doesn't include Obama's (semi-illegal) war, it's somehow his fault?? While Bush was president, he had his fair share of criticism, it's Obama's turn now, and he has started many expensive projects. Obama hasn't been ending Bush's wars, he's been continuing them.

http://www.progressive.org/wx031911.html

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Donald-Marron/2010/0320/Hold-on.-Healthcare-reform-will-cost-more-than-1-trillion

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51595.html

[Athena]

Not to defend Mr. Boehner, but....

didn't Obama get us into the Libya war? And then when Mr. Boehner has a budget that doesn't include Obama's (semi-illegal) war, it's somehow his fault?? While Bush was president, he had his fair share of criticism, it's Obama's turn now, and he has started many expensive projects. Obama hasn't been ending Bush's wars, he's been continuing them.

http://www.progressi...g/wx031911.html

http://www.csmonitor...than-1-trillion

http://www.politico....0311/51595.html

 

 

Oh man, I never liked Bill Clinton and a book passed around by conservative, "Michael Mew Mercenary of American Soldier?", by Danial New, gives some explanation of how Clinton supported the UN with military needs, in such a way that congress didn't have to approve of the spending. He also spend a lot of the CIA, another larger hidden expense, and he expected a lot from the CIA too. To get into office Obama married with the Clinton's. I really think we need to know more about these games politicians are playing, and for darn sure, we need much more honest and accurate accounting of how much is being spent for military purpose. This would include what we spend to control political leaders around the world, in the form of foreign aid, which includes a few tanks and military planes. For sure Clinton is running the war action. Check this out

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Yugoslavia/BillClintonsWar_Yugo.html

 

We need a better understanding of the connections we have with other countries and the UN, and NATO because our presidents have to deal the whole world and UN, not just the citizens. They also get donations from around the world, and I don't know how comfortable I am with this? For sure we made ourselves a military might, and folks like Bush and Clinton like to play war games.

 

I do know, right now I have a goal of raising awareness and I would sell my soul to the devil to achieve that goal, and I think that is what Obama did. He wants to lead us with words of wisdom, and has written books, including at least one children's book. I totally understand doing things that might not be cool, to have the power of voice political leaders have. Obama is doing his best to lead us with the forgotten spirit of American and virtues, and I think he partnered with the Clinton's to do this. For sure when we used special forces to take out Laden that was a Clinton move! That is not something Obama is into. He just doesn't think in those terms. In the Obama/ Clinton marriage. Obama gets to do his thing, and the Clinton's get to do their thing.

 

Please, go to the religion forum and thread about religion and politics, if you are interested in what religion has to do with corrupt politics.

 

Then, after decades of entitlements and inflation, he/they want to target all of these seniors who had all of this tax deducted from their paychecks, year after year, decade after decade, as a solution to their own financial mismanagement, warmongering, and interest payments, not to mention all of the special interest stuff done in the name of attracting investment.

 

That is the cost of being the New World Order leader, or as Eisenhower called it, the Military Industrial Complex. It is much more than this, because we have used public education to enslave our young to this war machine. That began in 1958 with the implementation of the National Defense Education Act. We stopped transmitting our culture and left moral training to the church. We switched from training for logic and independent thinking, to memorization and "group think". We are what we defended our democracy against. Our New World Order leaders who love being in the driver's seat of this war machine, do not need our sons as much as they need our tax dollars to support this war machine.

 

I like Obama, because with his words he is defending the democracy we once were, but to have this opportunity, he cut a deal with the devil.

Edited July 31, 2011 by Athena

[Athena]

Not to defend Mr. Boehner, but....

didn't Obama get us into the Libya war? And then when Mr. Boehner has a budget that doesn't include Obama's (semi-illegal) war, it's somehow his fault?? While Bush was president, he had his fair share of criticism, it's Obama's turn now, and he has started many expensive projects. Obama hasn't been ending Bush's wars, he's been continuing them.

http://www.progressi...g/wx031911.html

http://www.csmonitor...than-1-trillion

http://www.politico....0311/51595.html

 

Well, the science forum is not the place to discussion politics, or this thread would be doing much better. However, I do have to say bombing Libya is not what I would call Obama getting us into war. I would say this is Obama respecting our UN obligations. http://www.bbc.co.uk...africa-12796972 We come to this, by slashing domestic budgets ever since Reagan and pouring all our money into military spending, having the most expensive military might, and most advanced military technology in the world.

 

We led the world in democracy, but that leadership is long forgotten. We are now the Military Industrial Complex we defended our democracy against, and our leadership role shifted to economic and military domination of the world, something we are failing at miserably as we enter wars without taxing for them. Now, like Rome, we are moving in an unsustainable direction. If everyone over 65 dropped dead, so Social Security and Medicare were not necessary, that would improve the funding of the Military Industrial Complex, but what is its human value?

Edited August 5, 2011 by Athena