URAIN Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 Law of conservation states that total amount of energy and matter in this universe will be conserved. science knows that living organism also contain or made of energy and matter but by this conservation law science does not says living organism also conserve. what is your thought about it ?
mississippichem Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 Law of conservation states that total amount of energy and matter in this universe will be conserved. science knows that living organism also contain or made of energy and matter but by this conservation law science does not says living organism also conserve. what is your thought about it ? Thermodynamics applies everywhere in the universe that we are aware of today. Living organisms do not violate energy conservation laws. Living things simply take in chemicals and react those chemicals to make products that have a lower energy of formation. We take the excess energy and convert it to mechanical energy to move muscles that move bones etc...
URAIN Posted July 28, 2011 Author Posted July 28, 2011 Thermodynamics applies everywhere in the universe that we are aware of today. Living organisms do not violate energy conservation laws. Living things simply take in chemicals and react those chemicals to make products that have a lower energy of formation. We take the excess energy and convert it to mechanical energy to move muscles that move bones etc... Do you say that science accepts the living organism also conserved and there is a chance of reincarnation.
Fuzzwood Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 There is no soul or anything like that accepted in the scientific world. Your entire concious is based on neurons firing electrical impulses and chemically based links between those neurons. Can you please get to the point you are trying to make? Life is no special thing, it's simply a prolonged mix of chemical reactions.
mississippichem Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 Do you say that science accepts the living organism also conserved and there is a chance of reincarnation. Don't know what you are on about. If it involves reincarnation it's best that you wait until you have the minimum number of posts to post in the religion forum. We don't discuss such things here in the science sections of SFN as they are not science.
URAIN Posted July 29, 2011 Author Posted July 29, 2011 If you think reincarnation is not come in science, leave it. I will not argue with you. For this don't send me from out of wise peoples. Other side i asked about conservation of living organism Fuzzwood replied & given a scientific reply. I received it. I am writing something, actually it is written. Now translating it to English for global readers. I am taking care about anything wrong not come from me. Fuzzwood said his scientific opinion. If you or any one knows about conservation of living organism scientifically pls reply. My another question, it may correct for another topic. But asking here. Science is developed from questioning natural phenomena. For example Why apple falling towards earth from plant ? ect...... Like this if we questioned, why energy/mass of matter conserved ? then what will be the answer. (For questioning this, I got answer for the question, How energy/matter conserved) One answer may be, energy neither created or destroyed therefore it conserved. Is there any other answer. Because I think it's not say correct natural phenomena. (I am not hiding a big secret, in shortly I will make it public. One link will paste here and I request you to read and send to content interested peoples)
swansont Posted July 29, 2011 Posted July 29, 2011 All continuous symmetries correspond to a conservation law, and vice-versa, as shown in Noether's theorems. Energy conservation is a consequence of the invariance under time translations. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether%27s_theorem#Example_1:_Conservation_of_energy
URAIN Posted July 31, 2011 Author Posted July 31, 2011 All continuous symmetries correspond to a conservation law, and vice-versa, as shown in Noether's theorems. Energy conservation is a consequence of the invariance under time translations. http://en.wikipedia....ation_of_energy Do you give any example? for understanding it in right manner. From reading it generally, I got that, if system is continuous equivalence (symmetry) then corresponding quantities whose values are conserved. or When a given transformation is applied then the nature of a quantity or property of function remains unchanged this is the invariance. Noethers theorem states that every case of invariance in physics there exist a unique conservation law. I am receiving answer from noethers theorem, for the question "why energy/mass conserved?" that, at first if system is in equivalence transformation then energy/mass conserved. Did it is saying, our universe is in continuous equivalence transformation.
ajb Posted July 31, 2011 Posted July 31, 2011 Basically if your theory is invariant under time translations then you have a conserved quantity which we call the energy. In a similar way, if your theory is invariant under spacial translations then you have a conserved quantity which we call (linear) momentum.
URAIN Posted July 31, 2011 Author Posted July 31, 2011 how we know this huge universe which containing countless galaxies is invariant?
michel123456 Posted July 31, 2011 Posted July 31, 2011 how we know this huge universe which containing countless galaxies is invariant? It is thought that we are actually in a random place inside the universe. Nothing special about us. As a consequence, it is supposed that the laws of physics that we observe around us are the same anywhere else. The law of conservation of energy for example has never been transgressed so far, so we assume the law of conservation of energy is applicable everywhere in the universe and as an extrapolation is also applicable at the universe as a whole.
swansont Posted July 31, 2011 Posted July 31, 2011 how we know this huge universe which containing countless galaxies is invariant? We can look at spectra from distant sources, and they do not vary from what you'd expect from known physics — you get relativistic corrections, just as you'd expect, in accordance with known physics. You can also measure effects from the past, as with the Oklo reactor, to see that physics hasn't changed here over time.
URAIN Posted August 1, 2011 Author Posted August 1, 2011 (edited) Take it with cool. Here I am expressing scientific thoughts only. I think science is a search of truth. Here I am not saying that this universe is varies. But the saying law of conservation energy applicable "everywhere" is only the belief. Because, if science accepts anything then, it first assume that, then after check it. By checking if it found correct with that individuals then only accept that, those assumptions are correct. Scientific thinking directly will not accept the unknowings by beliefs. For example it does not accept religion belief, that lives existence exist after death also. Then from this belief scientific thinkers will not accept that belief about invariant of unknown universe (unknown galaxies) is also correct. By past experience we may assume that this is applicable to everywhere in unidentified places also. But as per scientific thinking we can't give confirmation for saying unknown universe is also invariant.Please call the invariance of the universe is an assumption or this is belief,before getting a strong base for it. Edited August 1, 2011 by URAIN
swansont Posted August 1, 2011 Posted August 1, 2011 Take it with cool. Here I am expressing scientific thoughts only. I think science is a search of truth. Here I am not saying that this universe is varies. But the saying law of conservation energy applicable "everywhere" is only the belief. Because, if science accepts anything then, it first assume that, then after check it. By checking if it found correct with that individuals then only accept that, those assumptions are correct. Scientific thinking directly will not accept the unknowings by beliefs. For example it does not accept religion belief, that lives existence exist after death also. Then from this belief scientific thinkers will not accept that belief about invariant of unknown universe (unknown galaxies) is also correct. By past experience we may assume that this is applicable to everywhere in unidentified places also. But as per scientific thinking we can't give confirmation for saying unknown universe is also invariant.Please call the invariance of the universe is an assumption or this is belief,before getting a strong base for it. But it has been tested, so this would seem to be a non sequitur.
URAIN Posted August 4, 2011 Author Posted August 4, 2011 But it has been tested, so this would seem to be a non sequitur. Do you not think, I have said the same thing; what michel123456 said.
swansont Posted August 4, 2011 Posted August 4, 2011 Do you not think, I have said the same thing; what michel123456 said. I don't see where michel said it was belief. It seems to me that you did, unless I misunderstood what you wrote.
URAIN Posted August 4, 2011 Author Posted August 4, 2011 (edited) Following are the michel words "we assume the law of conservation of energy is applicable everywhere in the universe and as an extrapolation is also applicable at the universe as a whole.". michel said "we assume conservation law applicable every where". But you are saying "this law applicable every where" in the perfect tone. Do you know? there is something, by which, without any assumption or without using any measure effects from past, we can say this universe is invariant with perfect tone, the unknown galaxies or unknown universe too invariant. Edited August 5, 2011 by URAIN
swansont Posted August 5, 2011 Posted August 5, 2011 No physical laws have been tested at every point. Has anyone done a rigorous test to see that gravity is valid in your place of residence? Probably not. But it has been tested elsewhere, enough for us to assume that when an object falls, gravity is the cause.
J.C.MacSwell Posted August 5, 2011 Posted August 5, 2011 No physical laws have been tested at every point. Has anyone done a rigorous test to see that gravity is valid in your place of residence? Probably not. But it has been tested elsewhere, enough for us to assume that when an object falls, gravity is the cause. I have. The gravitational constant there seems to be rising slowly. There is a lot of fluctuation, oddly enough especially after changes in my diet. (Have not resolved any direct connection at this point and it may be just coincidence)
URAIN Posted August 7, 2011 Author Posted August 7, 2011 I have. The gravitational constant there seems to be rising slowly. There is a lot of fluctuation, oddly enough especially after changes in my diet. (Have not resolved any direct connection at this point and it may be just coincidence) Dear friends thank you for giving response. In shortly I will post a principle, by which any one may say this universe is invariant with a perfect tone, without any assumption or beyond of measure effects from past. By this you will accept the unknown universe also invariant with a perfection. The url is http://baseforreincarnation.wordpress.com after posting article I will again inform you
URAIN Posted September 4, 2011 Author Posted September 4, 2011 (edited) No physical laws have been tested at every point. Has anyone done a rigorous test to see that gravity is valid in your place of residence? Probably not. But it has been tested elsewhere, enough for us to assume that when an object falls, gravity is the cause. Greetings Swansont and Greetings to all friends Now I have posted my theory in blog. From this theory you can perfectly say this world will be invariant, without using any assumptions or in lacking result of past experiments. This world may be contain number of unknown galaxies but without applying neother's theorem to unknown universe, you can say This universe had invariant at past. This universe has invariant at now. This universe will have invariant in future also. You can get the answer for the question, Why the conservation takes place? and what is the base for conservation ? If you have pdf then go to www.baseforreincarnation.wordpress.com Else www.scribd.com/doc/63851089 Edited September 4, 2011 by URAIN
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