Should we get distraught so quickly about terrorist threats?

[Guest lilbabynushi]

With the economy deteriorating and crime levels rising ..do u think we should go in for war? The consequences are too horrific to even think about.Saddam Hussain has a reputation equivalent to that of Hitler.If nuclear weapons are going to be used the destruction caused will exceed it's limit and the after effects of nuclear war will be evident in the future generations.Take Hiroshima and Nagasaki for example.The president should not panic all of a sudden about that Bin Laden guy.. because terrorists love to see people in panic and distress and they have fun at innocent people's cost. I have lived in a place where terrorism was too high and i have come to the conclusion that these people are great manipulators.They'll say 'We are about to strike at New York' and security is tightened there and they attack Florida.They drive ppl crazy and cause much chaos.I say we take things one by one and not act in a hurry.The psychology of terrorists has to be understood .

 

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[Aardvark]

Calm down! In the immortal words of the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy, DONT PANIC.

 

The economy isnt that bad, this isnt the 1930's. and lets not exaggarate about crime, its easy to alow alarmist TV and media to scare us.

 

As for Iraq, no one is talking about using nuclear weapons. We know Iraq doesnt have them ( yet ) . Any war will be conventional. The most Iraq could do is fire a cannister or two of mustard gas at a neighbour, and i very much doubt any Iraqi would be mad enough to obey such a suicidal order.

 

As for terrorists, yes, they love to create fear and panic. We just have to stay calm. Remember, these guys are losers. and your chances of being killed in a terrorist attack are far less than of dying in a car accident, keep a sense of perspective.

 

Stay calm and enjoy life, its sweet!

[fafalone]

Oh yeah sure, lets keep on letting them attack us until we understand them. how many americans must die at the hands of terrorists before we do something decisive about them? I believe one is too many, but I guess you leftists need the number to be in the millions before terrorism is irradicated at any cost.

[Sayonara]

It's all very well calling rational people 'leftists' when your political system doesn't even apply to them (well, actually strictly it isn't), but the current US strategy for dealing with terrorism leaves a lot to be desired.

 

Blanket bombing a city might kill a lot of the terrorists there, perhaps even all of them. But the survivors will hate the US more, as will citizens from other cities and perhaps even other countries.

 

Even if you killed all the known terrorists in the world tomorrow, the fact remains that anybody can make a bomb, and anyone who feels their beliefs, faith, culture, rights or future threatened may well be prepared to use such a device.

 

America has painted itself into a corner. Previous administrations have kicked over anthills all around the world, and the current government continues this trend. The result is that America as a whole is tarnished with the image of an international bully. This is barely deserved, and no fault of yours, the American people, unless one cites responsibility of the electorate which I feel in this situation would be unhelpful.

 

Rather than lashing out at your level-headed allies whose aims are to prevent the US administration from making an even bigger mess, it would be in everyone's interests for the US to take a step back and consider why it's a terrorist target. It's not like this has sprung up suddenly and everyone's confused.

[PogoC7]

Originally posted by fafalone

how many americans must die at the hands of terrorists before we do something decisive about them?

 

Not a very good question, it sounds somewhat selfish. Israelis have been dieing at the hands of terrorist for years. America is new to the threat of terrorism. Only America wants to do something about it.

 

Originally posted by lilbabynushi

I say we take things one by one and not act in a hurry.The psychology of terrorists has to be understood .

 

Ummm, We let terrorist take things one by one. But America has the might to strike with full force and take these "rebel groups" or terrorists out quickly. Before they can fight their so called capitalist wars.

Terrorism is a state of mind. A terrorist is a person who has experience such injustice that he or she is driven to the point of killing people. Image a father who needs food for this family and is driven to the point of stealing from a store. They have no hope for the future and they can not live with that fact. I understand that they see America everywhere and they can not drive to the local BK or get a job or have the freedom we have. It's sad, but we all have to put our powers together (countries), and make their situations better.

Once the Afghans are living happy, productive lives, they will not want to be terrorists. They'll be happy and any terrorist threat on Afghanistan (even if directed towards America) will not be appreciated. Same with Palestinians.

[Sayonara]

Originally posted by PogoC7

America is new to the threat of terrorism.

No they aren't.

But America has the might to strike with full force and take these "rebel groups" or terrorists out quickly.

Or it would, if terrorists hung around in big groups holding up signs that said "bomb here pls, ta".

 

D-, More thought required.

[PogoC7]

Originally posted by Sayonara³

No they aren't.Or it would, if terrorists hung around in big groups holding up signs that said "bomb here pls, ta".

 

D-, More thought required.

Right, we know what Countries terrorist groups work from. Only the Countries (backed by international communities jealous of America) won't let us operate or enter the countries.

Your opinion about capitalism and America is backed by the English punk mentality like the Sex Pistols. Johnny “Sayonara³” Rotten. Open your arms. Accept America was a friend. We did protect the world from communism. We haven’t been kicking anthills. We’ve been helping your country and others become ready to protect yourselves and work as a whole in peace. I live in America. Isolated from the Middle East and your side of the world. You should feel more threatened of terrorist on your Country. I guess until your Country is stuck by terror, you’ll still be blind to the fact that terrorists can’t live among us.

Big Ben Sucks.

[Sayonara]

Originally posted by PogoC7

Right, we know what Countries terrorist groups work from. Only the Countries (backed by international communities jealous of America) won't let us operate or enter the countries.

Your opinion about capitalism and America is backed by the English punk mentality like the Sex Pistols. Johnny “Sayonara³” Rotten. Open your arms. Accept America was a friend. We did protect the world from communism. We haven’t been kicking anthills. We’ve been helping your country and others become ready to protect yourselves and work as a whole in peace. I live in America. Isolated from the Middle East and your side of the world. You should feel more threatened of terrorist on your Country. I guess until your Country is stuck by terror, you’ll still be blind to the fact that terrorists can’t live among us.

Big Ben Sucks.

[Sayonara]

Wall Street Journal

February 14, 2003

 

From 1974, under then-Prime Minister Jacques Chirac, France sold Iraq arms and nuclear technology; in the 1970s and 1980s, France became Iraq's third-largest supplier of weapons after the Soviet Union and China, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. Mr. Chirac also agreed with Mr. Hussein to deliver a 40-megawatt nuclear research reactor and 12.5 kilograms of uranium-235. Israel destroyed the reactor in a bombing raid in 1981, fearing Iraq would use it to develop nuclear weapons.

 

Germany's arms sales to Iraq were smaller and consisted mainly of helicopters. But Germany was one of Iraq's sources of technology and materials for chemical and biological weapons programs, says Jean Pascal Zanders, head of chemical and biological warfare research at the Stockholm institute.

 

But the U.S. was also supplying arms to Iraq during the 1980s, delivering 117 Bell, Hughes and other helicopters to the Iraqi Air Force. These are thought to have been used in the Iraq-Iran war, during which the U.S. also gave Iraq real-time satellite intelligence of the battlefield. U.S. companies supplied Iraq with pathogens and specialist equipment that was used to develop chemical and biological weapons, according to the Stockholm institute.

[PogoC7]

In school now, but once I have time to respond to all the non-sence Sayonara³ wrote, I'll respond with the FACTS. Yes, terrorist did live among us. They lived Two Apt. Building aaway from me. I saw them on there balcony smoking cigs. I thought thy were coke dealers cause they looked F**cked to all hell.

[Sayonara]

You're either a troll or an idiot.

 

Either way, you really didn't need to state that you were still in school.

[PogoC7]

Originally posted by Sayonara³ [*]I did not provide any commentary on capitalism.

[*]I stated historical truths.

Never wrote any.

[*]Ascribing those truths to the rantings of a deceased 'singer' who was clearly deranged is ludicrous.

Not Dead.

[*]America has funded terrorist cells and dictatorships all over the world for decades. Get over it.

Most former English and French Colonies harber terrorists.

[*]Perhaps it's the fact that you are trying to 'operate' in foreign countries that pisses people off so much.

Pisses people off, but not their Governments?

[*]Knowing a country has terrorists is not reason enough for going to war against that country. If it is, why is the US not attacking Northern Ireland, or the Phillipines, or ITSELF?

Are terrorists only Americas problem.

[*]Communism is not a bad thing per se. The world worked before America came along.

Yea, World Wars. Just think about what u said.

[*]I don't call vetoing UN resolutions every five minutes and starting trade wars with any country that has an economy to speak of 'helping'.

Umm, so does your country.

[*]I don't know where you get your facts but the UK has one of the most powerful armed forces on the planet. If we wished it, we could erradicate several countries within a week.

Rebuilt by the U.S. You could erradicate countries, but WE won't let you.

[*]You are correct, you are isolated from the Middle East. This is why it's so important that you research it before making sweeping judgements.

Someone doesn't Understand?

[*]We do feel threatened, but only because our glorious leader Tony has dragged us into your ill-advised preparations for war. Apart from that we really don't have much trouble with foreign terrorists.

Before Spt. 11th. We didn't.

[*]Actually, terrorists can live among you. Most of the chaps who flew the planes into the two towers lived and trained in the good old US.

Yes, Delray beach. I lived two buildings from the terrorists. They looked like coke dealer and caused trouble everywhere (pool, elevator, apt.). How smart are these guys? They are here to attack America and they are making themselves an inconvience and sticking out. People were talking about kicking them out.

[*]Were you aware that Big Ben is the bell, and not the building?

Did I say a Building? ahhh, no.

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Well, I'm back home now and looked over what Sayonara³ wrote. That post does not deserve my responce cause of it's EXTREME STUPIDITY. I just quoted it so everyone can read it and laugh.

Jonny Rotten isn't dead.

Big Ben = Historical English Landmark. SUCKS.

[Sayonara]

Originally posted by PogoC7

Well, I'm back home now and looked over what Sayonara³ wrote. That post does not deserve my responce cause of it's EXTREME STUPIDITY. I just quoted it so everyone can read it and laugh.

Jonny Rotten isn't dead.

Big Ben = Historical English Landmark. SUCKS.

You'll be a troll then.

 

Stop posting crap please - you demonstrated in the Biology forum that you can put together a coherent post, and I expect the same here.

 

[edit] Johnny Rotten AKA john Lydon - might as well be. Have you heard him lately?

[Sayonara]

Back on topic:

 

U.S. official says Syria, Iran will be dealt with after Iraq war

U.S. Undersecretary of State John Bolton said in meetings with Israeli officials on Monday that he has no doubt America will attack Iraq, and that it will be necessary to deal with threats from Syria, Iran and North Korea afterwards.

I found this highly entertaining:

However, it did not contain the phrase, pushed by Britain, that "time is running out."

"That was not acceptable for us," German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder told reporters.

That Tony is such a war-monger. (Notice what I did there - he's the leader of my country, but I didn't pretend he said something else.)

 

It's all here: http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/263923.html

 

I'd like to know how attacking countries suddenly and killing off probably a lot more civilians than terrorists is legitimate warfare, and not in fact terrorism.

 

This might help:

 

ter·ror·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tr-rzm)

n.

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

[Aardvark]

Hey, PogoC7.

 

Just a quick note, You wrote that you didnt think the UK could understand terrorism until it had suffered from it like the US has.

 

The UK has suffered from terrorism long before the US and has taken more causalties from terrorism. I personally have been within hearing distance of two terrorist bomb explosions.

 

You might like to remember that the IRA terrorist organisation was largely funded by sentimental American idiots. Think about that the next time you want to complain about Britains stance on terrorism.

[PogoC7]

Originally posted by Aardvark

Hey, PogoC7.

 

Just a quick note, You wrote that you didnt think the UK could understand terrorism until it had suffered from it like the US has.

 

The UK has suffered from terrorism long before the US and has taken more causalties from terrorism. I personally have been within hearing distance of two terrorist bomb explosions.

 

You might like to remember that the IRA terrorist organisation was largely funded by sentimental American idiots. Think about that the next time you want to complain about Britains stance on terrorism.

Yes, I know the IRA. And I don't think I was talking about Britains stance on terrorism. I was speaking towards Sayonara³ stance on terrorism. But anyway. America can do whatever they want. Cause we CAN.

Plus, it seems Britain recognizes terror theats, they are and have been backing the U.S. since Sept. 11.

Just to add.

I lived two apartment buildings away from some of the terroists which flew a plane into the towers. These idiots were so stupid that the first week they were here; they almost go kicked out by the assosiation. They kicked people at the pool, they kicked a dog at the elevator. Don't know why the commity did not do anything about them (not a member), but I don't know what kind of freedom these "soldiers" thought they had. Compromising their mission.

One day I was walking my dog past their building and I saw them on their 5th floor balcony. Three of them. One was sitting while the others were leaning against the wall. They were eyeing me like crazy and I did the same. It looked as if they were on TONS of drugs (had the black under their eyes like I've never seen) and I thought they were drug dealer, so I didn't really mess with them. I actually started walking faster around the dark construction area near their building becuase I thought they might come down and shoot me. Thats the image they gave off.

Just wanted to add how dumb these terrorist were and why they most likey can't get another attack on America.

[aman]

The best thing we as citizens can do is just use common sense. Expect that there will be disruption for a couple of days and be prepared for it ahead of time. Then stay alert and go about your business. Make a will and put me in your life insurance.

Just aman

[Sayonara]

Originally posted by PogoC7

Yes, I know the IRA. And I don't think I was talking about Britains stance on terrorism. I was speaking towards Sayonara³ stance on terrorism. But anyway. America can do whatever they want. Cause we CAN.

I don't think you have the faintest idea what my stance on terrorism is.

 

You're the sort of person who would have called people a pinko commie if they objected to the witch-hunts during the cold war, because you don't have a cogent counter-argument.

 

If America can do what it wants I'd like to hear your explanation as to why it is not defying the UN veto of its planned invasion.

[fafalone]

We can do whatever we want, it's just less of a headache with broad support. Besides, we're not attacking Iraq until after their holy migration time where there's too many commericial jetliners in the air, so we might as well try ot get more support until march.

[Sayonara]

So if you wanted to act in contravention of the Non-Proliferation Treaty, you would? Or as an extreme example, if the administration decided to execute suspicious refugees on arrival, that would be 'OK'?

 

I don't think so. The world wouldn't stand for it and neither would the US people.

[fafalone]

The world might not like it, but there's not much they can do it about it. Whats going to happen, the Bobbies going to stop us? They don't even move

[fafalone]

Besides, it seems to be OK for the rest of the world to do whatever they like and not face action.

 

According to your own stance this acceptable.

[Sayonara]

Originally posted by fafalone

Besides, it seems to be OK for the rest of the world to do whatever they like and not face action.

 

According to your own stance this acceptable.

You could have just said "No, we'd cecede from the treaty first like North Korea did :p".

[fafalone]

Yup, but since no entity is a threat until it kills thousands of civilians, that's perfectly ok!

 

Damn leftist thought =)

[aman]

As far as civilians dieing, I think the main threat is the human sheilds including those asses from the US that flew there. One hope for them is the new EM pulse weapons that might disable tanks without killing the shields and hopefully Iraquis will surrender without armor. Remember the Iraquis wanted to counter attack Saudi Arabia in '91 with US GI's tied to their tanks but they didn't capture any.

Just aman