EUGENICS – Is It Really Bad ?

[anotherfilthyape]

If you think Gattaca supported Eugenics you completely misunderstood it in every way shape and form. Your vision of "better" is your on personal opinion, and again, what happens when those machines fail?

 

I know Gattaca did not support eugenics, but I claim they made a bad argument to oppose eugenics... And it is not my personal opinion... People everywhere would benefit from Gattaca-like eugenics... You think Stephen Hawking wouldn't rather be a commoner gene-therapy client that the exceptional cripple man he is? And failsafe measurements for machinery failing would be done in advance before leaving them with every menial job possible, and even then menial jobs are not something we would suffer much from if the machines doing them fail unless every machine fails at the same time and that is a stretch... We already trust computers with more dangerous occupations...

[questionposter]

I know Gattaca did not support eugenics, but I claim they made a bad argument to oppose eugenics... And it is not my personal opinion... People everywhere would benefit from Gattaca-like eugenics... You think Stephen Hawking wouldn't rather be a commoner gene-therapy client that the exceptional cripple man he is? And failsafe measurements for machinery failing would be done in advance before leaving them with every menial job possible, and even then menial jobs are not something we would suffer much from if the machines doing them fail unless every machine fails at the same time and that is a stretch... We already trust computers with more dangerous occupations...

There's a limit to advancing though, before we have to give something important up. You can't keep increasing intelligence indefinitely without consequences. Stephan Hawking is different because he has a deviation from normal that is a lower than normal standard of physical capability. Your talking about increasing everything. Yes, it would be nice to have more muscle mass, but it would require more metabolic energy to keep alive, and as the number of people increase resources become more limited.

 

 

 

[anotherfilthyape]

There's a limit to advancing though, before we have to give something important up. You can't keep increasing intelligence indefinitely without consequences. Stephan Hawking is different because he has a deviation from normal that is a lower than normal standard of physical capability. Your talking about increasing everything. Yes, it would be nice to have more muscle mass, but it would require more metabolic energy to keep alive, and as the number of people increase resources become more limited.

 

But those are not ethical problems but problems on another field and can be adressed by those involved in genetically tampering with humanity

[questionposter]

But those are not ethical problems but problems on another field and can be adressed by those involved in genetically tampering with humanity

 

Your right, the ethical problem is "why should we all automatically adhere to a personal judgement of what actually makes the human race 'better'?"

[anotherfilthyape]

Your right, the ethical problem is "why should we all automatically adhere to a personal judgement of what actually makes the human race 'better'?"

 

That is assuming that eugenics would be applied as mandatory and determined by the government or by specialists... But that not need be the case... Eugenics could be applied as "if you want and can pay for someone to manipulate your zygote this is what specialists suggest, take your picking on how your child will be".

[WPDP]

Eugenics will occur however society will NOT call it Eugenics and it will NOT be managed by the government or even scientists. What is happening is called parenthood. Parents will do everything they can afford to give their children an edge up on their competition. They want their children to be attractive, smart, strong and free from any recognized defects. When child reproductive services is advanced enough to screen for genetic diseases, they will. When child reproductive services is advanced enough to correct genetiv defects in embryos, they will. Parents will be able to select their child's gender. Eventually parents will be asked if they would like to determine their child's eye color, or hair color, or skin tone. Parents will be told that they could make their child a little taller, a little smarter, a little stronger, and other enhancements. Eventually, parents who use these services will be seen has having privileged children who have an advantage over others, and society will accept this as just being good parents. This will not occur tomorrow, but it will happen.

[Suxamethonium]

Eugenics will occur however society will NOT call it Eugenics and it will NOT be managed by the government or even scientists. What is happening is called parenthood. Parents will do everything they can afford to give their children an edge up on their competition. They want their children to be attractive, smart, strong and free from any recognized defects. When child reproductive services is advanced enough to screen for genetic diseases, they will. When child reproductive services is advanced enough to correct genetiv defects in embryos, they will. Parents will be able to select their child's gender. Eventually parents will be asked if they would like to determine their child's eye color, or hair color, or skin tone. Parents will be told that they could make their child a little taller, a little smarter, a little stronger, and other enhancements. Eventually, parents who use these services will be seen has having privileged children who have an advantage over others, and society will accept this as just being good parents. This will not occur tomorrow, but it will happen.

 

... until everyone has the "same" children....