Sum of consciousness >0

[Greg Boyles]

But but it's not that I'm remembering them when I wake up, it's that I conscious of what I'm thinking while I'm dreaming, that's why I can remember my thoughts during the dream. If it was just a "waking up" thing, then I wouldn't have any thoughts during the dream. So either I can remain conscious while dreaming because dreams are just an hallucinogenic compund effecting the visual perception centers of your brain along with one or two other things that make it harder to move and focus and nothing more, or the government is planting memories in me.

 

Incorrect!

 

Usually you only remember a dream imediately prior to waking up. Because some images and sounds, stored in long term memory, have been deposited unconsciously in your short term memory. Unless you immediately write down the detail of your dream, and thus transfer them to long term meory, the details of that dream nearly always fade rapidly and you are no longer able to recall them.

 

Your notion that your ability to re-call a dream is evidence that you are conscious during your dreams is simply false logic and not consient with current brain science.

 

From Wikipedia:

 

Biologically, short-term memory is a temporary potentiation of neural connections that can become long-term memory through the process of rehearsal and meaningful association.

 

So association and rehearsal result in transfer of short term memory to long term memory, and association and rehearsal are conscious acts carried out in a waking state. That would indicate that short term memory can and does operate regardless of whether you are asleep or awake.

 

 

You said you wanted me to see if I could control my actions in a dream, and I said yes which would have defeated some of your previous arguments, and now your saying I"m wrong without even shred of evidence to support I'm wrong, and yet you have the audacity to say I'm making up a hollywood fantasy?

 

You have not defeated any of my arguments, merely demonstrated that your logic is flawed.

 

I have provided plenty of evidence that you can verify for yourself in any current physiology text book.

 

So far the logic you have followed in coming to you pet conclusions is not consistent with the current brain science.

 

Besides, whether or not individual cells have consciousness can't be proven or disproved right now, which was the original discussion, and science doesn't have a concrete definition of consciousness. I will tend to lean towards that consciousness isn't what your describing because the way you describe consciousness can't be substituted into every scenario, and you can lean towards whichever side you want, this discussion is meaningless now.

 

 

Well the current science establishes that individual neurones are not conscious and until some scientist proves otherwise then it stands. That is how science works. If you don't accept it then you are a theologist or anything else but a student of science.

Edited October 20, 2011 by Greg Boyles

[questionposter]

Incorrect!

 

Usually you only remember a dream imediately prior to waking up. Because some images and sounds, stored in long term memory, have been deposited unconsciously in your short term memory. Unless you immediately write down the detail of your dream, and thus transfer them to long term meory, the details of that dream nearly always fade rapidly and you are no longer able to recall them.

 

Your notion that your ability to re-call a dream is evidence that you are conscious during your dreams is simply false logic and not consient with current brain science.

 

From Wikipedia:

 

 

 

So association and rehearsal result in transfer of short term memory to long term memory, and association and rehearsal are conscious acts carried out in a waking state. That would indicate that short term memory can and does operate regardless of whether you are asleep or awake.

 

 

 

 

You have not defeated any of my arguments, merely demonstrated that your logic is flawed.

 

I have provided plenty of evidence that you can verify for yourself in any current physiology text book.

 

So far the logic you have followed in coming to you pet conclusions is not consistent with the current brain science.

 

 

 

 

Well the current science establishes that individual neurones are not conscious and until some scientist proves otherwise then it stands. That is how science works. If you don't accept it then you are a theologist or anything else but a student of science.

 

I thought I made it clear I don't wish to discuss this with you any more. Try to not waste the space on this thread.

[Greg Boyles]

I thought I made it clear I don't wish to discuss this with you any more. Try to not waste the space on this thread.

 

 

Then stop posting in this thread.

 

As long as you continue posting comments on the subject of consciousnes that fly in the face of the current science on the subject I will continue to refute them.

 

 

Nothing personal but I am just as determined as you!