true1990 Posted November 26, 2011 Posted November 26, 2011 I have the following electron configurations: Beryllium: Br=[He]2s2 Mercury: Hg=[Xe]6s24f145d10 Barium: Ba=[Xe]6s2 Cadmium: Cd=[Kr]5s24d10 Copper: Cu=[Ar]4s23d9 Lead: Pb=[Xe]6s24f145d106p2 Manganese: Mn=[Ar]4s23d5 Nickel: Ni=[Ar]4s23d8 Strontium: Sr=[Kr]5s2 Tin: Sn=[Kr]5s24d105p2 Vanadium: V=[Ar]4s23d3 Zinc: Zn=[Ar]4s23d10 Antimony: Sb=[Kr]5s24d105p3 Arsenic: As=[Ar]4s23d104p3 How do I predict, or construct a theory, as to why they are toxic based on these configurations?
mississippichem Posted November 26, 2011 Posted November 26, 2011 Almost impossible. Thats a very important problem in the current state of medicinal chemistry and drug design. En vitro experiments and computational models are always of unpredictable accuracy. Thats why the FDA (food and drug administration in the USA) still requires animal trials for new drug candidates. You have the correct notion that fundamentally this will be related to the electronic structure of the atom/ion/molecule. But physiological effects (distribution in different tissues complex "long range" biochemistry) make a first physics principles understanding of this extremely difficult. Good idea. Won't happen though I'm afraid.
true1990 Posted November 26, 2011 Author Posted November 26, 2011 Almost impossible. Thats a very important problem in the current state of medicinal chemistry and drug design. En vitro experiments and computational models are always of unpredictable accuracy. Thats why the FDA (food and drug administration in the USA) still requires animal trials for new drug candidates. You have the correct notion that fundamentally this will be related to the electronic structure of the atom/ion/molecule. But physiological effects (distribution in different tissues complex "long range" biochemistry) make a first physics principles understanding of this extremely difficult. Good idea. Won't happen though I'm afraid. That's strange then. I'll have to ask my teacher about this then. And while I'm at it, why is organic mercury toxic, but inorganic mercury is not?
mississippichem Posted November 26, 2011 Posted November 26, 2011 That's strange then. I'll have to ask my teacher about this then. And while I'm at it, why is organic mercury toxic, but inorganic mercury is not? Well you can make some arguments based on similarity to essential biological elements in your case here. For example, thallium(I) is toxic because it's essentially a potassium cation mimic. There may be some general rule of thumb for metallic ions that I'm not aware of so don't jump to the conclusion that your teacher is wrong. I'll be surprised if there's a strong trend here between groups on the periodic table. Maybe there is some trend within a given group.
Horza2002 Posted November 26, 2011 Posted November 26, 2011 You can't predict how an element will be toxic given its electron configuration.... Aresenic is toxic because it mimics phosphorous (arsenic bonds are much weaker the phosphorus bonds so they hydroylse to quickly before the cell can use them) One of the many ways lead is toxic is because it is sulphur-philic and so interferes with the disulphide bridges in proteins. In terms of the mercury question, organomercury molecules have a better bioavalibility than inorganic mercury (i.e. its easy for the body cells to absorb it and is therefore more dangerous). The oxidations state of the mercury will also be important (as is the case for many metals)
true1990 Posted November 28, 2011 Author Posted November 28, 2011 Okay then. How does Arsenic become Krypton 81 through neutron absorption then?
Fuzzwood Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) Because neutrons can decay into a proton and electron. That has nothing to do with your original question if you were not aware of that. Edited November 28, 2011 by Fuzzwood
Horza2002 Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 ...Sorry, but I really don't see where that question has come from given the context of the questions asked so far. Elements changing into other elements (i.e. arsenic changing into krypton) is the area of nuclear physics and radioactivity. Also, I'm not sure how easy it is for arsenic to be converted to krypton 81....natural arsenic is 100% As-75....so you need to add 6 neucleons (2 protons and 4 neutrons) to get from As-75 to Kr-81. With that said, I'm a chemist, not a nuclear physicist so maybe there are other ways it can be done
mississippichem Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 Okay then. How does Arsenic become Krypton 81 through neutron absorption then? Arsenic is toxic as a phosphorus mimic. You need not take this out to nuclear physics to account for it's toxicity. Though some things are toxic because of their radioactive decay products. Like certain isotopes of Radon IIRC.
John Cuthber Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 Arsenic has pretty much the same electronic structure in this stuff http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenobetaine as it has in this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenic_trioxide but the toxicity is rather different.
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