Advantages of becoming an Atheist

Divagating the Future · February 14, 2012

I notice a falling away of people from their faiths.

And I wonder.

What would be the "perks" for becoming Atheist?

With faith one has hope in prayer to help them through difficult times. Faith brings comfort. Comfort that a higher existence is looking out for that one. Faith allows one to face death without any fear. "Each person views their own death in their own way."[sic]→ Niche← With faith it's not "lights out" it is not an end but a new beginning; whether true or not, the assurance that death is just a transition, not a deletion of oneself has a pacifying effect upon the truly faithful facing death. It seems to me the faithful are enhanced through their faith. Faith has done much for those whom were helpless. Religions have contributed to advancements in the arts,architecture,humane treatments in courts of law; faith unites families,friends and people in general.

True, religions have throughout history had some negative impacts as the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades. But overall it has played a far more positive role in history than negative. If a person has physical pain they resort to pain-killers. If one has mental distress they resort to prayer for relief and hope. So, it just may so be that religion is "the opiate of the masses." →Marx← But, would you rather have a tooth extracted without a painkiller? {an opiate figuratively} Just how would my life be bettered becoming Atheist?

Knowing the..."truth?"-{presumed truth}-

Is that the advantage?

Would an Atheist rather feel the "truth" of the pain related to severe arthritis or dull the pain with Oxycontin or a surrogate of the kind.?

I am Roma {Gipsy} and my faith could best be described as being a Deist. Oh, with certitude, I do believe in the supra-natural. I have had first hand experience with it. My uncanny abilities to see what lies ahead exceeds the parameters of statistical odds. Regarding the resurrection of Jesus, I do not doubt that it could have happened. Science just learned that the events described in Genesis occurred just as they were written in the Old Testament of the Christian Bible. First there was a watery earth,then light,then separation of light/dark,then the atmosphere and so on. The statistical probability of the writer of Genesis writing down all the events and in their proper sequence as to creation without some "superior intervention" is calculated as 10^28. Mathematically, anything having a statistical probability of 10^27 + lies within the realm of impossibility. So I am surely an open-minded Deist regarding Christianity..

Please explain to me just how I Turning Atheist would make my life better?

Ushie ♀

Edited February 14, 2012 by Queen of Wands

**CaptainPanic** · February 14, 2012

Please explain to me just how I Turning Atheist would make my life better?

It doesn't.

People are not atheist or any other form of non-believer because they think it's "better". They are so because they see no reasons to think there is a god.

There is no deliberate choice in becoming atheist. It is a result of the way you see everything. You cannot choose how you see everything, although education can change the way you see things.

As with almost everything, you can be influenced by other people, and by information. You don't choose to be influenced. You just are. Your only choice is which sources of information you allow to reach you, and which you try to block... You can choose to learn.

**swansont** · February 14, 2012

You can't really choose to have the kind of faith being discussed here; it's not that simple. I suspect if it's harder for someone who has faith to imagine what it's like to lack faith than it is for someone who lacks it to imagine what it's like to have faith.

**mooeypoo** · February 14, 2012

Reality is not something you can negotiate. Atheism or not, whatever way you see evidence around you is the way you will end up living.

For that matter, I see no advantage whatsoever in being religious, especially when it seems many religious beliefs require quite a number of mental gymnastics to account for physical evidence.

This question can go both ways.

John Cuthber · February 14, 2012

"What would be the "perks" for becoming Atheist? "

Getting a lie in on Sunday morning.

Not wasting time and effort on the "stake" in Pascal's wager in which it's odds on that you pick the wrong faith and so lose anyway.

Freedom of thought and, to some degree, of action.

**Phi for All** · February 14, 2012

Science just learned that the events described in Genesis occurred just as they were written in the Old Testament of the Christian Bible. First there was a watery earth,then light,then separation of light/dark,then the atmosphere and so on.

You crack me up! "Science just learned...." :lol: What's your source for THAT?

There are a LOT of things wrong with this. First, there are two conflicting Genesis accounts of the sequence of events at creation. Second, science did NOT just learn that a watery Earth was first, followed by light and then a separation of light/dark. Science has evidence to support the theory that the universe was already nearly nine billion years old when the Earth was formed, and our Sun was here before that. And Earth started out fiery and molten. Watery happened much later.

So I suppose that's one of the biggest advantages to becoming an atheist. You get to toss the dogma and misinformation out the window and build your knowledge on firm foundations rather than hearsay and ethereal wishes.

JustinW · February 14, 2012

So I suppose that's one of the biggest advantages to becoming an atheist. You get to toss the dogma and misinformation out the window and build your knowledge on firm foundations rather than hearsay and ethereal wishes.

I think it's important to keep in mind that the stories in a religion are not what make up it's intirety. The stories, no matter how true or false, give basis to a religions meaning and intent. Too often I read people writing about the fallicy of the stories and how they don't see how anyone can believe such rubbish. It's the meaning and intent behind the stories and inbetween the lines that are what a religions purpose is, not the factual basis of the stories themselves.

Just sayin'.

**Phi for All** · February 14, 2012

I think it's important to keep in mind that the stories in a religion are not what make up it's intirety. The stories, no matter how true or false, give basis to a religions meaning and intent. Too often I read people writing about the fallicy of the stories and how they don't see how anyone can believe such rubbish. It's the meaning and intent behind the stories and inbetween the lines that are what a religions purpose is, not the factual basis of the stories themselves.

Just sayin'.

Good point. There are some beautiful stories in religious text, and I think part of their beauty is lost when people forget that they are just stories. The rest of the beauty is lost when people take every word literally, much the same as it would be with anything else.

Tres Juicy · February 14, 2012

Please explain to me just how I Turning Atheist would make my life better?Ushie ♀

You get to live in the real world and get get solid answers backed up with factual evidence

doG · February 14, 2012

You do not just become an atheist. If you begin to doubt the existence of deities then you can consider yourself not-theist which is really all the term atheist means to begin with. It is not an ideology or a belief system. It is simply those that lack an affirmative belief that deities exist.

JustinW · February 14, 2012

doG,

It is not an ideology or a belief system.

But you have to admit that it is the general feeling when deists look at atheism. I think too that is because it is presented that way by a lot of atheists. The fact is that an atheist's non belief is a type of belief system. It's not like most atheists present there side as being a neutral stance of one way or the other. Most present their case from a standpoint that God DOESN'T exist. Usually it's "I don't believe and the possibility is irrelevant",or "let's see what we can do to sensically talk you out of your beliefs using logic". That sort of thing is ideological and could be classified as a sort of belief system couldn't it? Now don't get me wrong. If religious people want to come into a forum like this and discuss religion, logic and sensical discussion should be expected. And any rational religious person should already be under the assumption that this wouldn't be an argument that they could win based on factual evidence.

Just sayin'

Edited February 14, 2012 by JustinW

doG · February 14, 2012

The fact is that an atheist's non belief is a type of belief system.

No it's not. You're lumping the whole group together as if they all have some common belief. They don't. The term atheist literally means not-theist, nothing more, nothing less. Theists have an affirmative belief that one or more deities exist and everyone that is not-theist is atheist. Some atheists actively believe that there are no deities and some simply doubt the existence of them for a lack of proof. They are a diverse group with nothing more in common than the fact that they do not have an affirmative belief in deities.

**Phi for All** · February 15, 2012

The fact is that an atheist's non belief is a type of belief system.

That's not fact, and isn't even a logical opinion. Belief is defined as acceptance that a statement is TRUE. Science has theories that represent the best explanation supported by the most evidence, but in order to keep digging for better answers they don't etch things in stone like that.

If theism didn't exist, atheism wouldn't either. These are not two differing belief systems; atheism could NOT spring up independently of theism. This is one belief system and a stance by some that says I don't need that belief system.

Divagating the Future · February 15, 2012

You get to live in the real world and get get solid answers backed up with factual evidence

I think being raised as a Deist allows for me to reprehend clearly, the "real" real world.

Look up the meaning of "Deist." I sense you misconstrue its true meaning.

Think?

Some "facts" are very harsh and almost all chose a means of artificial relief when severe pain strikes.

Truth is→ pain...hurts!

True?

**mooeypoo** · February 15, 2012

I think being raised as a Deist allows for me to reprehend clearly, the "real" real world.

Look up the meaning of "Deist." I sense you misconstrue its true meaning.

Think?

Some "facts" are very harsh and almost all chose a means of artificial relief when severe pain strikes.

Truth is→ pain...hurts!

True?

Physics explains reality quite well without the need for any sort of deity. The belief, then, becomes a personal choice.

How does the existence of some deity explain reality any better than what our current scientific evidence say, exactly?

iNow · February 15, 2012

The fact is that an atheist's non belief is a type of belief system.

Is your nonbelief in Zeus a belief system?

Is your nonbelief in Thor a belief system?

Is your nonbelief in Allah a belief system?

Is your nonbelief in Poseidon a belief system?

Is your nonbelief in Ra a belief system?

Is your nonbelief in santa claus a belief system?

Is your nonbelief in the easter bunny a belief system?

Is your nonbelief in unicorns a belief system?

Is your nonbelief in leprechauns a belief system?

Is your nonbelief in all of the other countless gods laying dead in the graveyard of human mythology a belief system?

If not, then why would you claim that nonbelief in the abrahamic, judeochristian god, yahweh, a belief system... or why would you claim that the nonbelief in a deistic "god is a term referring to everything and equivalent to the idea of cosmos" a belief system?

Edited February 15, 2012 by iNow

**mooeypoo** · February 15, 2012

That's why many atheists are not just 'atheists'. I am a Skeptical Humanist, for instance. Atheist by reality: I just don't believe in a deity, can't really help it without proper evidence which seem to be nonexistent. And Skeptical Humanist is my choice of cultural ethical belief system.

It's not a belief system like a religion is.

It's not a belief system that is rigid -- it changes and grows and adapts.

But it is the closes to a 'belief system'. It encompases my way of thinking, my ethical beliefs, and my cultural connection.

Atheism is just the "non belief in a deity".

There *are* other things out there that give you moral structure, philosophy and culture other than religion.

~mooey

JustinW · February 15, 2012

That's not fact, and isn't even a logical opinion. Belief is defined as acceptance that a statement is TRUE.

And the statement that atheists BELIEVE is true is "deities don't exist", right. I smell a belief system brewing.

If theism didn't exist, atheism wouldn't either.

Aye and this is where the ideological part comes in to play.

This is one belief system and a stance by some that says I don't need that belief system.

This is why I assert that the non-belief is actually a type of belief system. Are there atheist organizations that pull together to stand against persecution by religion? Yes there are many as a matter of fact. There are those who http://firstchurchofatheism.com/ oh wait. . . What the heck is that? It just sort of popped up on my screen. It's them damn fundamental atheists again. I don't see what is so wrong with a non-belief becoming an actual type of belief system or ideological stance. Please don't blow me out of the water for the link. It was a joke and there were just so many atheist organizations to chose from I just had to throw that one in there. To me it is not just a belief system, but starting to look like it's becoming an organized one as well.

**CaptainPanic** · February 15, 2012

And the statement that atheists BELIEVE is true is "deities don't exist", right. I smell a belief system brewing.

Atheists believe that deities don't exist.

But we know they certainly don't intervene in anything.

So, if there are any deities, they seem to be permanently uninterested and uninvolved in the universe. Deities are simply not necessary to explain what we see.

**Phi for All** · February 15, 2012

And the statement that atheists BELIEVE is true is "deities don't exist", right. I smell a belief system brewing.

Aye and this is where the ideological part comes in to play.

This is why I assert that the non-belief is actually a type of belief system. Are there atheist organizations that pull together to stand against persecution by religion? Yes there are many as a matter of fact. There are those who http://firstchurchofatheism.com/ oh wait. . . What the heck is that? It just sort of popped up on my screen. It's them damn fundamental atheists again. I don't see what is so wrong with a non-belief becoming an actual type of belief system or ideological stance. Please don't blow me out of the water for the link. It was a joke and there were just so many atheist organizations to chose from I just had to throw that one in there. To me it is not just a belief system, but starting to look like it's becoming an organized one as well.

I look at it this way. Before religious belief systems, no one had one. How can you claim that the first religion automatically spawned two belief systems? Village A comes up with this religious belief system, and just because Village B didn't you're saying Village B also has a religious belief system?!

iNow · February 15, 2012

Atheists believe that deities don't exist.

Not all of us. In fact, from what I can tell... MOST atheists do NOT have an affirmative belief in nonexistence... They just see so little evidence of existence as not to accept it as a valid conclusion to draw. There is no belief in nonexistence of gods, just the conclusion that there is no reason to think they exist anywhere but human imagination.

I don't actively disbelieve in god. I just lack a belief. Perhaps subtle, but important when it comes to this issue of claiming atheism is a belief system or religion. Atheism doesn't inform beliefs or tell you anything whatsoever about the person except that they are not a theist.

Edited February 15, 2012 by iNow

JustinW · February 15, 2012

I look at it this way. Before religious belief systems, no one had one. How can you claim that the first religion automatically spawned two belief systems? Village A comes up with this religious belief system, and just because Village B didn't you're saying Village B also has a religious belief system?!

Yeah I may be getting to technical with the terminology here. I don't think there was ever a time since the existance of imagination that a belief system didn't exist. A belief, like you said earlier, is to accept a statement as true. Whether that statement states the existance of something one way or another, it has no relevance to the fact that if you accept something as true it is a part of your belief system. Atheists say that a deity doesn't exist. They accept this as true, therefore affirming that as a part of their belief system. Does that make sense?

Now why I think atheism is also an ideological stance may be rather vague and can be argueable.

wiki,

"An ideology can be thought of as a comprehensive vision, as a way of looking at things (compare worldview), as in several philosophical tendencies (see Political ideologies), or a set of ideas proposed by the dominant class of a society to all members of this society (a "received consciousness" or product of socialization). The main purpose behind an ideology is to offer either change in society, or adherence to a set of ideals where conformity already exists, through a normative thought process."

I think atheism fits in the context of this definition.

Halucigenia · February 15, 2012

With faith it's not "lights out" it is not an end but a new beginning; whether true or not, the assurance that death is just a transition, not a deletion of oneself has a pacifying effect upon the truly faithful facing death.

So, putting this claimed faith to the test, can you answer me these questions:-

Are you and your religious/deist friends, relatives and/or acquaintances all happy when they hear that someone close to them has died?

Do you or they congratulate someone when they tell you that they are about to die?

Do you really know of anyone who, on their deathbed, has actually welcomed their own death rather than being afraid of it (not because of, for example, the relief that they would get from a painful condition.)?

I would suggest that the greatest benefit one could* have as an atheist is that one can live their life to the full realising that this is the only chance you have got to enjoy life and to participate in other’s enjoyment of it. It would be much better to think this way than to narcissistically dwell on the illusion that this life is only temporary so that anything bad that happens in this life does not matter as much for you and others (others that may not even have the same beliefs as you do) as there is a possibility of something better coming, something that no one can possibly know that will ever actually happen.

As an atheist one should* hold life as something that is more precious than a religionist that believes in afterlives would, as we all can only really know that we are going to have just this one. No amount of false hope, faith, belief and prayer, that things will eventually be better could make things actually better in the here and now.

As for religious doctrines that suggest that we should have to put up with suffering in this world as some part of a divine plan I can only hold contempt for such psychologically and socially damaging notions. :mad:

Me, I would prefer to have the real painkiller, the real drug and cure for this life’s potential illnesses rather than some false hope or placebo effect.

As for the majority of the OP, all you seem to be saying is that belief, faith and prayer can make one “feel” better. However, personally, I cannot see how this is a defence of theism or deism as it does not make it any more true. Personally I cannot make myself believe or have faith in something just because it might make me “feel” better. Is it really that way that people with a religion/theism/deism think, that they are deluding themselves with the comfort that they feel that their religion gives them because it feels good even if the beliefs that they hold are not true, that they just keep on believing them anyway? That seems like a very poor reason to continue to keep believing in anything.

I also find it strange that, as a claimed deist, you seem to be putting up a defence of religion using the theistic religious notion of an afterlife and use an account of the biblical creation myth of genesis claiming that science agrees with its sequence (when it patently does not) in an attempt to question the atheist position. :huh:

*Of course, as has been stated by others already, to be an atheist all one has to have is no belief in gods. No one who is atheist has to have these epicurean views on life, however, it does seem more likely for an atheist to hold such views rather than a religionist, particularly religionists that believe in some kind of afterlife like you appear to be promoting.

Yeah I may be getting to technical with the terminology here.

I don’t think that you are being technical or precise enough.

I don't think there was ever a time since the existance of imagination that a belief system didn't exist.

This may be true, however, that does not make it necessary for an atheist to have a belief system that is directly related to atheism.

A belief, like you said earlier, is to accept a statement as true. Whether that statement states the existance of something one way or another, it has no relevance to the fact that if you accept something as true it is a part of your belief system. Atheists say that a deity doesn't exist.

No, you are missing the point. The point is that there is a difference in believing that something does not exist and lacking a particular belief.

They accept this as true, therefore affirming that as a part of their belief system. Does that make sense?

No, it does not make sense at all when you understand that atheism can be defined as lack of belief. As such atheism is the default condition. Before anyone thought up the existence of gods everyone was an atheist but would not have understood the term. As soon as the first person to think up a god started believing in that god nothing changed for anyone else – they did not suddenly have a belief in the non existence of this god that someone just thought up. How could they before the idea was even communicated to them. Once this idea was communicated to them they then could take the position that they thought that it was true that this particular god did not exist, however, even before that decision they would still technically have been atheists.

Now why I think atheism is also an ideological stance may be rather vague and can be argueable.
wiki,

"An ideology can be thought of as a comprehensive vision, as a way of looking at things (compare worldview), as in several philosophical tendencies (see Political ideologies), or a set of ideas proposed by the dominant class of a society to all members of this society (a "received consciousness" or product of socialization). The main purpose behind an ideology is to offer either change in society, or adherence to a set of ideals where conformity already exists, through a normative thought process."

I think atheism fits in the context of this definition.

Then you should be able to explain what ideological comprehensive vision it is that all atheists hold because of their atheism. What philosophical tendencies or political ideologies that all atheists hold because of their atheism. What set of ideals all atheists hold because of their atheism. etc. etc. etc.

The only conformity that atheists have is that they that they have a lack of belief in gods. If you did not know that anyone believed in gods or before anyone believed in gods the term atheist would be redundant for you and only of use in hindsight and as an ideology it would be non existent and impossible to have for you to have.

The fact that some people who lack belief in gods may tend to have similar likes, dislikes, opinions etc. does not make atheism an ideology.

Divagating the Future · February 15, 2012

You crack me up! "Science just learned...." What's your source for THAT?

There are a LOT of things wrong with this. First, there are two conflicting Genesis accounts of the sequence of events at creation. Second, science did NOT just learn that a watery Earth was first, followed by light and then a separation of light/dark. Science has evidence to support the theory that the universe was already nearly nine billion years old when the Earth was formed, and our Sun was here before that. And Earth started out fiery and molten. Watery happened much later.

So I suppose that's one of the biggest advantages to becoming an atheist. You get to toss the dogma and misinformation out the window and build your knowledge on firm foundations rather than hearsay and ethereal wishes.

"Laugh laugh thought I'd die,it seemed so funny to ___" Such is a song,right? I'm can't declare with certitude as of whom wrote it though. I would wager a million bucks it was some British group. My grandpa,he'd know for sure who just as of what British group wrote that tune. Oh, he's not among us now; he could be here,there,anywhere...really.

Jupiter is at perigee to earth as now. You know that? It's true. That planet is the closest it's been to earth in quite a many years. An astronomical event a la spectacular! It's shining right through my window as now. Grandpa may be wandering upon it now, checking out for sure the "real deal" concerning that great big red spot. Oh, I wouldn't make any wagers as to the certainty of that. Heck no! Odds of him tripping the light fandangle there is practically 1/∞. Maybe even 1/∞², but not absolute. You know,there isn't even a yet known absolute "0." It's like Pi, or the amount of numbers between say 1/3 and 1/2. You ever wonder? Wonder if there just may be a real square root of 2? Might more likely, statistically, there may exist a real square root of 3 though. Oh, I forgot, the song and why I mentioned the song even. Well, I didn't actually "forget" about the song; I have ADD and my mind sometimes is mischiefful. That song must have been of a theme that was very funny. I mean it starts off, right at the start→Laugh laugh, and even goes on that it is so darn funny the writer of that song claims he'd die. I'd once again wager you a million American bucks he didn't die within say an hour after he wrote...Laugh laugh. You see, I'm not a physicist. Those folks they always play around with calculus and such. Yes, I have a nominally fair grasp of calculus. But being a psychiatrist, or once practiced it, my knowings with numbers are more inclined with statistics. You know, like parametric and non-parametric statistics. Oh, there are a number of other forms of statistics to be applied...as needed. Really, I contend that statistics are a more powerful tool than calculus when determining cause-effect happenings. You doubt that? Odds are in my favour I'm correct. Why? The reason as it so being that life is not black/white but rather a consequence of various shades in-between that never actually pronounce something as absolute. Comprende'? Oh darn it. My computer froze up. It's such a shame, really. I need to use products that disguise my IP server. The business I'm in you can't be careful enough! There's always someone wishing to gain what I have sought for. Never the mind. I have for you something that should make you Laugh laugh. Don't have concern. It's on me. The oil market is doing very fine..and soon to do VERY fine. Got to pave a way for.."going green." Only way is to put a contagion upon the price of oil. Odd though, don't you think? About 99% of the "green contracts have been allot-ed to the George Soros owned General Electric Company.

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Challenge my wit at peril rather you cause becoming of lower esteem of yourself I once again wager.

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If a human author had written Genesis 1 without God's helphe could have presented/listed the 14 events mentioned in over 87 billion different sequences. How could a human author have selected the sequence, beginning with Light first and Man last, which has now (3300 years later) been shown to match the sequence that modern science accepts?

Over 3,000 years ago, God presented men with the story of Genesis. He knew that man would always have great curiosity about his environment and history. Since this story was presented to very primitive humans, who were almost universally illiterate, He knew that the story should be brief and clear and fairly simple.(Few modern Christians seem to realize that at the time of Moses [around 1275 BC], there was not yet any written language invented [the first written languages being developed around 1200 BC. Prior to that, only symbols in stone, hieroglyphs and similar systems, but no language.]) He also clearly wanted to emphasize to those early humans just how incredibly powerful He was, so He presented the entire Creation story as having taken just Six Days. Even if He had WANTED to describe the steps as having taken millions or billions of years (which might have made it seem like He was not so spectacularly powerful), the peoples of the time would not have been able to comprehend such time intervals. Even now, when we casually discuss thousands of years of history, or even greater intervals, it is very difficult for us to actually comprehend any time period greater than our own human lifetime of 70 years or so.

God also knew that the inquisitive and creative and persistent nature of man would some day enable mankind to more carefully and thoroughly investigate human environments and history.With remarkable thoughtfulness, He made sure that fossils would exist, He provided DNA similarities of all living things, and many other intellectual artifacts. Scientists who would come to exist thousands of years in the future would be able to find appropriate evidence to be able to intellectually create logical sequences and patterns. Those scientists would eventually conclude that the human environment would seem absolutely scientifically self-consistent, and that a logical history of the past would also be (some day) absolutely logically self-consistent.

Since He has provided us with a duality of understandings of our Universe, each of which is absolutely internally self-consistent, we will NEVER have any way of proving one or the other wrong. We WILL always find that EACH perspective is "right" and can be forever confidently supported. He arranged for Creation believers to be able to conclude that He "planted" fossil evidence and even "aged" those artifacts so that they would give reassurance to the scientists who would some day find them, even though He actually whipped all of it up in just Six Days. He arranged for those people whose logic made them resist believing such a rapid Creation process, to eventually develop solid logic and science and to therefore be capable of developing a compelling scientific explanation of everything. This just means that the "views" through the two different "windows", each show us the exact same Universe, which is totally logical and internally self-consistent, but just seem somehow to have very different rates of the passage of time.

There are very few instances where the Bible and science stand face-to-face regarding established facts. The most prominent of these is the story of Creation in Genesis. The Book tells us what happened. Modern science also tells us what apparently happened. The time scales involved are extremely different, but we've already commented on that.The critical part would be that the SEQUENCE of the events described has to be in the same order. Then, even if the time scale appears very different, or even non-linear, the two perspectives could still be compatible. If the sequence does NOT match up very well, no realistic compatibility could be inferred.

This allowed God to give a brief, simple story of Creation to Moses for the primitive people of ancient times, while also allowing future human curiosity to find consistency in logic in everything, which would eventually include "fleshing out" the brief Genesis story with a more complete, scientifically-supported story.

It seems certainly intentional that the time scale that actually occurred while the Universe was created, was left vague. The premise of this Parallelism concept implies that NEITHER view has preference or precedence over the other. We will therefore NEVER know if He actually took six standard days, or 15 billion years, or even some other interval of time, to create the Universe! God might actually have taken two years to create everything. He might have provided one "time-lens" that made that two years appear as taking Six Days and another that made it appear to take many billions of years. We will never have any way of actually knowing.

As mentioned above, the critical matter is that the SEQUENCE of events be the same. The following presentation of Genesis 1, with comments regarding current scientific thoughts regarding the times of those events, is meant to make the case for this. There appears to be AMAZING compatibility between the two!Statistically, it represents staggering scientific proof that the Bible MUST BE true and accurate. There IS the one item that does NOT match up (the appearance of birds is one position different), but the matching of the sequences is otherwise quite striking. A mathematical statistical analysis of the comparison of the two sequences implies that there is far less than one chance in a billion that Genesis 1 could have been written with the sequence it has, without God's knowledge of the correct sequence.(the statistical reasoning.) Since science has only been able to determine the times of these events within the past few decades, the question arises to scientists: "How can you explain the writing of Genesis 1 over 3,000 years ago?" No one (except God) knew the correct sequence! How could any human author of that time know that plants came before animals, or that fishes came before land animals, or that Light came before everything else?

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Apparent Time Discrepancies

An additional observation needs to be mentioned that relates to the time scales involved. There would seem to be an obvious contradiction regarding time. "Did the year 14,613 BC actually exist?" People are sometimes distressed that a Six Day Creation, in about 4004 BC (as Bishop Ussher had calculated centuries ago), seems to have problems of incompatibility with events that science has determined to have existed prior to that date. There IS a logical explanation!

The actual MEANING of the word "year" or "day" is fundamentally different for Christianity and science. The two understanding happen to match up almost perfectly now and have matched up for the past several thousand years, but there was a time when they were very different. It is probably unfortunate that science and Christianity have chosen to use the same words for these actually different intervals.

My impression (and that of most of society) is that the scientific time scale is "linear". That means that each second or minute or day or year has always been of exactly the same intrinsic length, as described by some repetitive event, such as the rotation of the Earth, or its revolution about the Sun, or the number of oscillations of atoms of Cesium. In contrast to this linear time scale of science, the Creation time scale is seen as being non-linear, (at it would appear from that linear time scale) such as a hyperbolic time scale. (A chart showing such a relationship is below). A hyperbola has two straight lines called asymptotes that define its limits. Such a scale would have one asymptote (on the Christian time scale) in 4004 BC and the other asymptote being the 45-degree angle line that describes the identity with the linear scientific time scale. (In this diagram, the dotted lines represent the asymptotes.)

The 45-degree asymptote of this hyperbola would mean that our current year 2000 AD is virtually identically long in both scales and it began at essentially exactly the same moment. This enables an indistinguishably identical modern perception of a day or year. Even 2000 years ago, the two time scales would have been virtually identical. The distinction between the two would only have been significant before about 3900 BC. (For example, 3900 BC creation time might have been 3901 BC scientific time). Because of that vertical asymptote, from a Creation perspective, nothing could have existed prior to that year (4004 BC), so dates earlier than that (in the Creation time scale) are meaningless. But, looking at the chart shows that the line goes almost straight downward. If we extended the chard downward to 1,000,000 BC (scientific), you can see that the line WOULD exist down there, meaning that such a date has real meaning. If a memorable event happened then, it would be recorded in the year 4004 BC (creation). Extend the chart even farther down, to one billion years BC (scientific), and that still matches up to some moment during 4004 BC (creation). Effectively, this non-linear, hyperbolic time scale would have the effect of "compressing" an enormous amount of scientific time into a very short period of Creation time. (The author realizes that this is getting deep!)

Regarding the question posed earlier, there are actually two different answers, depending on which time scale is being used! In the scientific time-scale, YES, certainly the year 14,613 BC occurred. In the Creation time-scale, NO, no such year could have existed. No date prior to 4004 BC (creation) has any reality. If something momentous occurred during the "scientific" year 14,613 BC, it would have been recorded as having taken place late in the Sixth Day of Creation (in 4004 BC or thereabouts).

A technically more correct way of describing the relationship between the two time scales is represented in the graph here. The Creation time scale would be along the horizontal (X) axis and the scientific time scale would be along the vertical (Y) axis. A hyperbola is drawn here, with asymptotes along a vertical axis (X = - 4004) and along a diagonal line (X = Y). This hyperbola would have an eccentricity of 2.59. (An exponentially shaped curve would also look very similar.) The 'modern' part of the curve has essentially exactly identical years in both scales (slope = 1.0).

In recent history (upper right in the graph), the curve is virtually identical to the angled asymptote, meaning the slope is 1.00000, and a year in one is the same as in the other. But at the bottom of the graph, all scientific dates much before about 4000 BC all match up to that very busy Week of Genesis (in 4004 BC on the Creation time scale)! This hyperbolic line is continuous and always has a one-to-one relationship, so every event that has ever or will ever happen is represented uniquely by one specific point on that curved line, meaning that there is one perfectly defined moment in scientific-time and one uniquely defined moment in creation-time. It is what mathematicians call a real function.

This particular drawing of the graph has greatly exaggerated the separation between the curve and the asymptotes for clarity. In reality, the angled portion would be virtually identical with the dotted line asymptote on this graph except in that tiny curved area, and the vertical portion would appear virtually identical to the vertical dotted line.

So! Did the Universe get Created in a Serious Week of Work about 4004 BC? YES, if we're talking about the Creation time scale. Did the Universe take billions of years to form? YES, if we're talking about the scientific time scale. BOTH statements are entirely and equally true!Matters such as dinosaurs are thus easy to deal with. In the scientific time scale, they appeared around 225 million years ago and the final ones died out around 65 million years ago. In the Creation time scale, they appeared during the Sixth Day and died out later on that same Sixth Day (leaving their fossils and all the rest).

This non-linear premise might actually be somewhat supportable by Genesis. If you think about it, the line on the graph must get steeper and steeper (higher slope) for really ancient scientific events. That would imply that the very first creation-day would have matched up to billions of years, while the second and following days would match up to shorter and shorter scientific time intervals. The first Day of Genesis only involves creating light, but it appears to match up with a scientific interval of many billions of years. By the time we get to the Sixth day, the slope of the line has changed so that (creation) Day only matches up to a small fraction of a billion scientific years. Shortly after the Creation, the non-linear time-scale curve would go around its curved part from its nearly vertical section to its nearly 45-degree angle section, forever getting closer to 45 degrees as time proceeds. A virtually 45-degree line on that graph today would indicate a virtual identity between the modern time-scales of science and Creation. This would explain why we see no noticeable difference today between the two time scales.

A scientifically non-linear time scale in the Genesis story might also even be somehow related to the fact that a lot of people of the Bible lived to around 900 years old! But that's a different matter and may not have any connection to the matter at hand!

Sequence Analysis of Genesis 1

The following comparison includes interpretations of statements in Genesis 1 that are generally very similar to the analysis in the famous and respected Gray's Home Bible Commentary.

It also provides footnotes to the Original Ancient Hebrew words, and all their possible English translations, since some of the English wording is not precise enough for this analysis.

Gen. 1:1 - In the beginning^<07225> God^<0430> created^<01254>^<08804>^<0853> the heaven^<08064> and^<0853> the earth^<0776>.An introductory statement, which precedes the rest of Genesis 1. This might also be a vague reference to a Big Bang event to begin the existence of the Universe, for when scientists would eventually become capable of comprehending the possibility of such things. Modern science currently believes that such a Big Bang event occurred, and various evidence suggests that this event took place about 15 billion years ago. (Notice that this Parallelism approach also allows a compatibility of Young Earth and Old Earth Creationists. Whether the Creation sequence took six days or billions of years becomes a moot point!)

Gen. 1:2This is a reference to the fact that there was no form or light or anything else. Most Big Bang theories suggest that there was a brief period that occurred before matter could exist.

Gen. 1:3 - And God^<0430> said^<0559>^<08799>, Let there be^<01961>^<08799>light^<0216>: and there was light^<0216>.This might be a reference to the creation of the multitude of stars in the Universe. Modern science would place this as beginning from a few million years after the Big Bang essentially through the present. Many stars (and therefore many sources of subdued light) existed by 6 billion years ago.

Logically, this seems to be a peculiar first item to create, if you think about it. Ancient people would probably have expected ground or people to have been created first, then the other stuff. In ancient times, the sequence of Genesis events must have seemed very strange. Why plants before animals? Why water before plants? Why fishes before land creatures? Why light first?

From a scientific perspective, a LOT happened here. Early on, ONLY the element Hydrogen existed, the very simplest of all atoms. Gravitation caused clouds of this Hydrogen to collect in large balls. When a ball got extremely large, the weight of all the overlying Hydrogen squeezed and heated the Hydrogen at the very center. Once that Hydrogen got up above 100 million degrees or so, the Hydrogen atoms were moving so fast (that's what heat actually is, the speed of atoms moving around) that when they crashed together, they didn't always bounce off but sometimes fused together, a process we now call nuclear fusion. As a result, atoms of Helium were formed, the next simplest atom.

Eventually, the Hydrogen fuel would get used up, and the outward going radiation that was partially supporting the weight of outer layers would essentially stop. This would allow a further collapse of the size of the star, causing even greater temperatures in its center. Eventually, with massive stars, the temperatures could get high enough that the new Helium atoms started fusing together, creating more energy and even heavier atoms in the process, such as Carbon.

This sort of thing could continue (for the very most massive stars) with ever heavier atoms as fuel and even heavier atoms as results. At some point, after having therefore created nearly all the types of atoms from the initial Hydrogen, the star became unstable and blew itself apart, in something called a nova or supernova. This resulted in all those varieties of atoms being sprayed out across the Universe. With enough time, the Universe would get cluttered with such an assortment of elements and chemicals.

At a later time, a DIFFERENT cloud of Hydrogen, which included a mixed assortment of these other elements, gravitationally collected to form our Sun, and also our various planets, including Earth. There is reasonable scientific documentation for these various ideas, and collectively they are seen as being an explanation of how our incredibly complex Universe, with all its 92 elements and countless chemical compounds, could have arisen from just simple Hydrogen, given enough time. The paragraphs above were an extremely brief presentation of the field of Cosmology, a reasonably well-founded subject in science. Note that there are some amazing consequences. Look at your little finger. It is primarily composed of Carbon and Oxygen with many other elements in small amounts. If Cosmology is correct in the above, then every single one of those countless billions of atoms of Carbon and Oxygen in your finger were originally fused together in some extremely remote stars which later supernovaed! The concepts are nearly as mind-boggling as the Bible's Genesis 1!

Gen. 1:4 - ... and God^<0430> divided^<0914>^<08686>^<0996> the light^<0216> from^<0996> the darkness^<02822>.This seems to refer to the creation of the Sun which establishes a clear distinction between light and darkness. Before the Sun came into existence, a faint level of starlight came from every direction. Modern scientists believe that this event happened about 5 billion years ago.

Gen. 1:5 (end of First Day)The author has never seen anyone else ever comment on the fact that the entire First Day of Creation didn't include anything other than creating Light! Considering how omnipotent God is, and how much He had yet to do, doesn't it seem that He would have chosen to accomplish more in the First of the only Six Days He would use? How come nobody has noticed that He seemed to get very little done on that First Day? This Parallelism concept helps explain this. From science's point-of-view, that First Day covered about eight or ten billion years! "Just" creating Light was a lot more involved than we had realized from the Genesis story! Also, note that right after the Sun was created (separated light from darkness), we have the end of the First Day. The end of a day would seem to have little meaning if the Sun had not yet been Created, and so again, God was extremely logical in the sequence!

Gen. 1:6-8This is somewhat hard to fully understand, but possibly describing the creation of the Earth.

Gen. 1:9 - ... and let the dry^<03004>[land] appear^<07200>^<08735> ...This clearly indicates that the Earth now existed. Modern science believes this occurred about 4.55 billion years ago.

Gen. 1:10 - ... and the collection^<04723> of waters^<04325>He called^<07121>^<08804> seas^<03220> ...Creation of the oceans and seas are completed here. Modern science believes that most of the moisture came out of innumerable volcanoes, which condensed as rain, to fall and eventually fill the seas. Science has now determined that 3.4 * 10²¹ kg of water has become released from the Earth's Core and Mantle over the roughly 5 billion years that the Earth has existed. The current amount of water in the entire Hydrosphere is about 2.4 * 10²¹ kg. This accounts for not only the existing water we know of in oceans, lakes, rivers, glaciers, etc, but also some additional water which may have escaped into outer space from our upper atmosphere. It has been determined that there is still around 200 * 10²¹ kg of water still deep in the Earth's Mantle. There are far fewer volcanoes erupting now than in the early Earth, but those volcanoes still bring up new water into the Hydrosphere, and apparently will for a very long time to come.

With enormous amounts of moisture in the atmosphere, the sky was continuously and completely overcast with clouds. Light would get through, as on overcast days now, but actually seeing the Sun or Moon or stars would have been impossible. No oxygen was yet in the atmosphere, but substantial carbon dioxide had also come up out of the volcanoes. Science believes this happened about 3-4 billion years ago.

Science believes that the Earth was first formed without any atmosphere either. This had to result in an interesting situation! We know the distance the Earth is from the Sun, and the rate that the Sun creates energy to radiate out. It turns out that we can easily calculate the temperature the Earth would have had to have been (called a Black Body temperature) in order to radiate away exactly as much energy as it was receiving from the Sun (a necessary situation). That calculation shows that the Earth would then have been an average of around -20°C or -4°F temperature! Any water would have soon become ice, and not much else could ever have happened here! The volcanoes were again the source of several simple natural gases, such as methane and carbon dioxide, so the early Earth atmosphere was unbreatheable. As the carbon dioxide increased, an effect called the Greenhouse Effect increased the average temperature of the Earth's surface up to the current +15°C or +59°F average temperature that is important in enabling life on most of the Earth's surface.

Research regarding the gases that are now coming out of volcanoes in Hawaii show that they include around 11.61% (by volume) of carbon dioxide and 79.31% (by volume) of water vapor. If these percentages were approximately true early in the Earth's existence, it would certainly explain large additions of water, water vapor and carbon dioxide to the earth's environment, given hundreds of millions of years of volcanic eruptions. Note that NO oxygen came out of the volcanoes, so no oxygen was in the atmosphere!

Gen. 1:11 - And God^<0430> said^<0559>^<08799>, Let the earth ^<0776>bring forth^<01876>^<08686> grass^<01877>, the herb ^<06212>yielding^<02232>^<08688> seed^<02233>, ...Plant life was created first, to feed the later animal creatures. First the simpler grasses and then the more complex seed-bearing plants. Scientists have found evidence of fossils of very simple and primitive plants to be the oldest of all fossils found, so that they know that plants came before the later animal creatures. This is estimated to have begun around 3.5 billion years ago. Modern science also believes that there was very little free oxygen in the atmosphere at that time. These plants, especially blue-green algae, used the plentiful carbon dioxide in the atmosphere as an important source material for their photosynthesis, and they gave off oxygen as a waste or byproduct. Photosynthesis is a chemical reaction that most plants can do which is described chemically by (6) CO₂ + (6) H₂O = C₆H₁₂O₆ + (6) O₂. This means that carbon dioxide from the air is combined with water to form a complex organic carbohydrate molecule (glucose) and a bunch of oxygen molecules. This would later be of crucial importance for all the animals that needed the oxygen in the atmosphere to survive. Even though the skies were still entirely overcast, sufficient light got through the clouds to permit plants to grow. Scientific dating of fossils of land plants suggests that they were prominent on land by about 400 million years ago, after having existed as water borne plants well before that.

There is yet another important thing that happened to the atmosphere. The Earth is constantly bombarded by rather strong ultraviolet radiation given off by the Sun. Such radiation seems to be fatal to nearly all living forms. Therefore, the earliest lifeforms, such as blue-green algae, could only live under water, where the water protected them from that UV radiation. They certainly were producing a lot of oxygen as a by-product of their existence, but no land animals could yet have existed, because of that radiation. This also confirms that fish were the first of all animals, again confirming what Genesis 1 told us 3300 years ago. After a lot of oxygen had accumulated in the atmosphere, some of those oxygen molecules were hit by cosmic rays from outer space, and altered into becoming ozone molecules. As these ozone molecules accumulated near the top of the Earth's atmosphere, they blocked and absorbed much of the incoming ultraviolet radiation. This had several consequences, but the most important to us is that it allowed animals to be able to survive without having to be protected under the water. So, through a complex but extremely logical process, it would finally be possible that there be animals on the land (and larger plants too).

Isn't that interesting? Composed around 3,300 years ago, Genesis had told us that plants came before any animals, and now science has proved why that was true, because of the animals' need for oxygen that the plants first created. Science is not confronting Genesis, but supporting it! For the record, the "uniform evolution" approach that was long popular within science confronts the first of several complications at this point. At seemingly the same time, a broad assortment of very different new forms of life all appeared, often referred to as the "Cambrian explosion." The difficulty is that it seems illogical that a generalized random process would initiate so many different types of life at around the same time. There is moderate credibility in this being a problem. However, critics tend to describe it as all being simultaneous, while ten or twenty million years might have been involved, sufficient time for millions of generations of lifeforms to grow and possibly evolve. There are several later examples of the same effect (not mentioned here) that were certainly in shorter time periods, and definitely represent something that uniform evolutionists need to explain. A substantial group of researchers have concluded that there were bursts of rapid evolution, within the otherwise slow and relatively uniform evolution. In any case, the time periods involved are all so long, millions of years, that a LOT could happen that we might never have any evidence of. Science often has gaps in its knowledge, some of which gradually get filled in at later times.

Gen. 1:11 - ... and the fruit^<06529>tree ^<06086> yielding^<06213>^<08802> fruit^<06529>after its kind^<04327>, whose^<0834> seed^<02233> [is] in itself, upon the earth^<0776> ...The larger, more complex seed-bearing trees were created next. Modern science thinks that this began about 430 to 350 million years ago. Enough fossil evidence of these and all following plants and animals exists, such that sequences of subtle changes have been found by scientists that suggest a logical progression of how all these living things would seem to have come about. A fairly continuous fossil record exists for some species of plants, which suggests that later plants could have "evolved" from earlier plants adapting to new conditions. This set of scientific understandings allows scientists to be comfortable with an evolutionary explanation for these events that they can comprehend in a logical way and that they are comfortable with.

Gen. 1:14-18 - ... to separate day from night, etc.These clearly refer to the Sun and Moon. But the earlier reference regarding the Sun's existence (Gen. 1:4) seems to make it clear that these Scriptures are not referring to the original existence of the Sun and Moon. A possible scientific explanation is that, early on, the Earth's atmosphere held a very large amount of water vapor or other translucent gases, which would have contributed to much more cloudiness than we experience today. It is quite possible that the sky everywhere had been permanently covered by a thick layer of clouds, obscuring the Sun and Moon from being visible from the Earth's surface. In addition, science is pretty sure that a lot of volcanic activity was still occurring, which would have kept large amounts of volcanic dust in the atmosphere. Those things being true, it might have been that the atmosphere had been forever cloudy. Day and night would be recognizably different, but actually being able to see the Sun or Moon from the Earth would have been impossible. This Scripture might be referring to the cloudiness becoming less, as volcanic dust settled and as a lot of the water vapor in the clouds condensed as rain, so that the Sun and Moon could finally be seen from the Earth. There is even more logical support for this. As the plants were removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, and replacing it with (transparent) oxygen, they were reducing the "greenhouse effect" and allowing the atmosphere to become cooler, adding to the condensation of raindrops, and further clearing the sky of clouds. This might even offer a suggestion to science regarding extreme cloudiness in that era, which I have not heard proposed before within the scientific community. The Bible providing evidence on which science can grow, imagine that!

Gen. 1:20 - And God^<0430> said^<0559>^<08799>, Let the waters^<04325>bring forth abundantly^<08317>^<08799> the moving creature^<08318>that hath^<05315> life^<02416>, ...Fish became numerous in the seas during the Devonian period (390-340 million years ago). Modern science uses a large amounts of fossil evidence and radioactive dating information to confidently establish this. These fish could ONLY have come about AFTER the plants had created great amounts of oxygen in the atmosphere and then some of that oxygen had gotten absorbed into the seas. No fish could live without dissolved oxygen being present in the water, another nice logical aspect supporting the sequence of Genesis 1.

Gen. 1:20 - ... and fowl^<05775> [that] may fly^<05774>^<08787> above^<05921> the earth^<0776> in the open^<06440>firmament^<07549> of heaven^<08064>.Birds are also preserved in fossil records. Modern science believes that birds seem to have developed and evolved from the reptiles that crawled out of the oceans. Note: at present, science believes that birds came AFTER some of the creeping land creatures mentioned in 1:24. This represents the only obvious discrepancy between the sequence of these events as presented in the story of Genesis and the (incomplete) information and knowledge so far amassed by modern science. Modern science finds that the multitudes of birds only came about roughly 65 million years ago, with the oldest known bird fossils are from about 120 million years ago. Archeopteryx, a sort of flying reptile (bird?) existed about 150 million years ago, and a fairly recently discovered Protoavis may have existed as long as 225 million years ago. That's still more than 100 million years later than the Genesis story would imply. One problem for science is that birds tend to be small and small-boned, so fossils are less likely to form and harder to find!

A side note needs to be interjected here: The text being used here is the Christian translation in the King James (KJAV) Bible. This is translated from the Original Ancient Hebrew and then Aramaic and then Greek and then Latin translations. The Jews have their own translation of the very same original Ancient Hebrew text, which they call Bereshit. The Bereshit text for Genesis 1 is at http://mb-soft.com/believe/txo/jewgenes.html Specifically, Verse 21 reads (translated):

21. God created the great sea monsters, and all the living creatures of every kind that creep, which the waters brought forth in swarms; and all the winged birds of every kind. And God saw that this was good. (However, Verse 20 also mentions birds, which confuses things.).

The Jewish text might therefore indicate a sequence where sea creatures were first, THEN creeping creatures, and THEN the birds. This actually exactly agrees with what science now believes, and so the match up is absolutely perfect!

It seems also possible that the Bible might have more generally been referring to "flying creatures" and there were certainly winged (flying) insects by around 300 million years ago.

Gen. 1:23 - (end of Fifth Day)We tend to overlook that after Five of the Six Days of Creation, there were STILL no living creature on the land! Nearly everything we normally think of in Genesis occurred in one day, the Sixth Day. Think about the implications of that. And that it "conveniently" is therefore compatible with modern scientific thought.

Similar to the comments regarding that only a single thing, Light, was created on the First Day, please note that only fishes (and birds) were Created in the entire Fifth Day, and that a great complexity of Creation was kept for the last remaining day of the Six.

Overall, if this scientific perspective is not included, it almost appears that God did very little on any of the first Five Days! And then Did nearly everything that we think of as Creation in the remaining Sixth Day. So the traditional Christian or Jewish interpretation of Genesis 1 seems weak. These observations would seem mysterious, except for the suggested resolution of the time scale discrepancy referred to earlier, which not only removes the difficulty, but adds to the credibility of Genesis from a scientific perspective!

Gen. 1:24 - And God^<0430> said^<0559>^<08799>, Let the earth^<0776>bring forth^<03318>^<08686> the living^<02416> creature^<05315>after his kind^<04327>, ...Science says that the crawling and slithering creatures arose as some types of fish adapted to life away from the waters. First, small amphibians crawled out of the water, but they never became dominant species. Later, reptiles developed and multiplied, so much so that the Mesozoic period of history (230-65 million years ago) is also known as the Age of Reptiles (of which dinosaurs were a part).

Gen. 1:24 - ... cattle ^<0929>, and the creeping animal^<07431>, and the beast^<02416> of the earth^<0776> after his kind^<04327> ...After a great extinction of reptiles (and dinosaurs) about 65 million years ago, there was no longer a dominant type of creature on the Earth. This enabled the development of many varieties of (warm-blooded) mammals, beginning after 65 million years ago. Another side-note. A lot of people seem to think that all dinosaurs suddenly dropped dead together! That is NOT what happened! Actually, most of the very large types of dinosaurs had completely died out millions of years earlier. But there were still plenty around at 65 million years ago. All science really knows for sure is that by about 63 million years ago, there were no dinosaurs left alive. So it wasn't like there were millions of dinosaurs on Tuesday and they were all dead on Wednesday. Two million years could have included maybe 200,000 generations of those dinosaurs, and they might have died out gradually over that period or the might have died out more at the same time. No one yet knows!

Gen. 1:26 - ... Let us make^<06213>^<08799>man^<0120> in our image^<06754>, after our likeness^<01823> ...Modern science says that this happened within the last 2-3 million years. Eventually, societies developed, man developed language, tools, weapons and logic, and has come to dominate over all the earth and its creatures (also mentioned in Gen. 1:26). Since humans have now gotten to a point of being able to scientifically research their heritage, they find adequate but subtle evidence that exists that supports the theory that they evolved from lesser creatures. This assuages their intellectual curiosity. No absolute proof will EVER be available that that was actually the case (to the exclusion of Biblical Creation), but extremely convincing evidence exists to support the scientific point-of-view. There will NEVER be any way of determining whether the Lord did this all in 6 days and thoughtfully pre-planned for future men's curiosity; or whether He used billions of their years to do it and necessarily had to describe it in terms of days because of the primitive nature of the intellect of the Bible's initial readers. Also, the early readers didn't comprehend the full scale of the Earth and Sun and Universe. They still thought the Earth was flat and couldn't possibly move!

Adam and Eve - as the sole source of mankind.This might seem like a conflict, but it definitely is not. In fact, science would say that ANY time that a pair of individuals had a "survival advantage" over possible competitors, that pair will have (genetically similar) offspring that ALSO have that advantage. We might suggest that the descendants of Adam and Eve had many survival advantages! Intelligence and manual dexterity, certainly. But it seems very likely that having a Soul, of being able to understand the difference between right and wrong, AND having the Lord Watching over them, sounds like really good evolutionarly advantages! Gradually, over a LONG amount of time, science would say that the descendants of this pair would "multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it" exactly as Genesis 1:28 describes.

Note the interpretation we make regarding "in our image" mentioned at the beginning of this presentation. We feel that a correct interpretation is that God may have earlier used a process that we now call evolution to develop the grasses, seed-bearing plants, trees, fishes, crawling creatures and then larger creatures. And that He even continued that to creating CREATURES that happened to look like us! But they were CREATURES and not MEN. In Genesis 1:26, He "provided a Soul" to Adam, which we believe is what is meant by "in our image" and not that we necessarily have any physical similarity to God. Given this, all descendants of Adam and Eve would therefore have Souls, as per a scientific reasoning regarding genetics. It also makes clear an extreme distinction between humans and any other of God's creatures which can never be affected by any "evolution" or anything else that science might discover.

Science has absolutely no way to detect a Soul or to study them or to even confirm that Souls do or do not exist! So the very special addition that God made in Genesis 1:26, in making mankind unique in having Souls, presents no conflict with science!

There actually are many recent examples of similar evolution things. Several decades ago, modern medicine virtually exterminated the germs that caused smallpox and tuberculosis, and the agents that caused polio. Massive usage of antibiotics and other chemicals accomplished this goal. However, I said "virtually". Out of all the trillions of bacteria killed by those antibiotics, there were a few, let's say two, that managed to survive the antibiotics. Science would guess that those two had somehow "mutated", possibly as a result of the natural cosmic rays that continually bombard us from outer space. In any event, consider the situation AFTER that massive antibiotic use. Instead of trillions of bacteria having to share the available food supply, just the two were present. Can you see how they would multiply very rapidly, with essentially an unlimited food supply? Bacteria reproduce very quickly, in just a matter of hours, so those two could have had millions and billions of descendants within a period of months. In other words, the world again soon winds up with the trillions of tuberculosis-causing bacteria. But, do you see the one difference now? Since all of these NEW ones are descendants of the antibiotic-resistant two survivors, THEY are also drug resistant. You may note in current news that the medical community is extremely concerned about drug-resistant strains of a number of dangerous diseases, including TB. This is the scientific understanding of why this currently exists, as being a "natural" consequence of some individuals having a "survival advantage". In the case of TB, the recent cases are absolutely untreatable with any known treatments or medicines, so the patients ALWAYS die, a true catastrophe in the makings, and there is no way to avoid it in the very near future.

Of course, that was NOT humans, and there is the possibility that similar things do not happen regarding humans, but that is the basis for why science generally believes in "natural selection". In the event that some individual had a BIG advantage, like those drug-resistant bacteria that survived and had no remaining competition, the result is called "evolution". Please note that NO individual "evolves" into anything else, like in horror movies. Natural selection is a very gradual process that generally takes many generations of descendants before the result is noticeably different than before. In any case, whether it actually applies to humans or not, this is the correct explanation of what "natural selection" or "evolution" actually is.

By the way, there are some Christian leaders who think they are denying science when they say "You claim that evolution occurs, but you only talk about it happening a long time ago! It is obviously not true because it is not happening today!" The correct response to that is: "Natural Selection" (the more correct term for 'evolution') NEVER involves individual organisms drastically changing, but involves MANY generations to occur. Any Biology student can grow many generations of common fruit flies and experimenters have long seen Natural Selection results in countless experiments. If the student exposes a community of fruit flies to some kind of radiation, most of the flies might die. However, if any survive, and are fertile, they will be likely to genetically pass along whatever it was that kept them alive! Their descendants would therefore have a "radiation resistance" as a result of their survival. There may have only been a few that survived the radiation, but when they (the survivors) multiply, then all of the living flies would be resistant. There is no "magic" involved; simply the fact that only survivors can procreate!

The present drug-resistant TB danger represents another proof that it occurs, and that it is quite natural. Larger animals live so long that a hundred generations of them can easily involve thousands of years, and so "proof" of Natural Selection in them is far harder to establish, except through the use of ancient fossils.

This is all brought up here for a reason. Remember those two surviving bacteria that eventually "replenished the earth"? When science looks at the possibility of evolution applying to humans, they necessarily see the need for a VERY small number of beginning individuals. Thus, the concept of evolution virtually INSISTS on the existence of an Adam and Eve! In BOTH cases, it is agreed that you and I are direct descendants of (probably) two initial people. Science has no way of giving them names, but the Bible tells us they were Adam and Eve.

Genesis 4:15-17 - Cain leaving Eden.Christians and Jews have always been confused as to how Cain could have left Eden (where the only apparent humans existed) to go to the land of Nod. The Lord even set a mark upon Cain (15) so that anyone finding him would not kill him. Who could have found him? How could he have found a wife, and then raised a family?

This combination of Genesis and science gives us a possible answer. Prior to Genesis 1:26, of making man in our image, there were many creatures populating the Earth. None of those creatures had SOULS! If science is correct regarding evolution, it could easily be that some of those creatures might have evolved into human-like beings. (This also offers an explanation of the fossils of primitive man-forms which have been found.) So, there could easily have been an existing population of human-like creatures PRIOR to Adam. When the Lord, in Genesis 1:26, made man IN OUR IMAGE, that meant that Adam had a SOUL, which no creature had ever or will ever possess.

This would have meant that there were two similar-appearing populations, the creatures that had evolved from the primitive creatures of Genesis 1:24, and the entirely distinct MAN who had a SOUL. When Cain left Eden, the Lord KNEW that he would later interact with those "creatures" and He gave him the mark. Nod and the wife and the family and the city then make sense, while not challenging any aspect of the Genesis story.

Later still in Genesis (look at Genesis 6:1-5) inter-marriage might have been occurring between the two similar-appearing populations. The "sons of God" then seem to be describing Adam's descendants, while the "daughters of men" might then be referring to the man-like creatures that had no Souls. Does it now seem obvious why the Flood was necessary? How else could the Lord have ensured that ONLY men with SOULS would populate the future Earth? (These thoughts are obviously speculations, but they are interestingly logical, better than other explanations for these matters usually seem to be.)

Doesn't all this seem to be amazing as to how the parts seem to fall in place? It is as though the Bible "predicted" what science would discover 3500 years later, and that science is methodically confirming the various amazing statements in Genesis, thereby confirming that the Bible contains information that NO ancient human could have known!

God has provided a way of forever keeping it hidden from us just which time scale actually was involved and which was for assisting our limited human comprehension. It may even be true that BOTH of our windows distort the actual time involved. It may have taken Him a year to create everything, or it may have only taken an instant. He made for a Parallelism of perception, so that humans would be free to accept EITHER understanding He made available for us, since either is totally internally self-consistent.

He created some big things but needed to tailor the possible understandings of those things to terms that both ancient and modern humans could comprehend. His Universe would appear totally self-consistent to both the Christian believer of the Bible and the scientist, who only wants to believe in things he can measure and analyze.

Notice that this does NOT mean that mankind is ACTUALLY related to other of God's creatures. Christians believe that we are distinct and separate from animals, while scientists believe that we evolved from lower animals. The Parallelism of understandings just allows each individual the choice of believing whichever viewpoint he or she comes to be most comfortable with. BOTH are completely and absolutely true! It is actually just more evidence of just how marvelous our Lord is, to provide this option for us.

This story is still breaking. Over the next several years, science may confirm a very recent and unexpected amazing finding. Human chromosomes and DNA are known to contain hundreds of millions of individual bits of information which are passed along from every parent to child. Scientific research has recently (2000) completed "mapping" each and is now trying to determine the functions of each. It is called "the Human Genome Project (HGP)."It was unexpectedly discovered that a relatively small proportion (technically called exons) seems to be actually needed in passing along the necessary genetic information for creating a new child. In February, 2001, scientists announced the amazing and surprising finding that fully 98% of the component nucleotides (many hundreds of millions) seem to be absolutely unnecessary! These apparently unnecessary sections are technically called "introns". If less than 2% of our DNA is actually necessary for reproduction, what is that other 98% and why is it there?

In primitive life-forms, similar exons and introns have been studied. In the process of procreation, a protozoan, Tetrahymena, has some interesting things occur. It turns out that, if the introns are left IN an intermediate precursor RNA molecule stage, the process of procreation cannot continue! The intron somehow manages to snip itself out of the sequence and then splices the loose ends (of the important parts) together to form the functional molecule. This might first seem to imply that the introns are of no functional purpose whatever.

Some preliminary results of the HGP have suggested that parts of these apparently unnecessary "introns" in humans appear to be remarkably similar to the DNA found in bacteria and amoebae and trees! In the February 2001 announcements, scientists confirmed that they found several hundred sequences that seem to be precisely identical to bacteria DNA. One (of many) scientific working theory is that each organism forever maintains the DNA (genetic) code and capability of its predecessor species (in evolutionary development) and just adds on to the DNA string for newly added adaptations or improvements. That intron self-snipping feature might be its way of automatically selecting the latest and best gene string for that characteristic.

If this all turns out to be reasonably accurate, then evolution will have been absolutely proven! Every cell of every person would therefore contain genetic materials from earlier (simpler) life forms. It might then be theoretically possible to use existing gene-splicing methods to remove some of the modern genes to allow a life form to be created from the more primitive intron genetic material. It's hard to even imagine the ethical and moral questions that would arise if some idiot scientist actually did that. Unfortunately, one probably will, to achieve fame. It seems more likely that "reputable" scientists would first snip out a LOT of advanced versions, and might then be able to have bacteria or mold or algae grow from the HUMAN DNA. Such an experiment seems likely within a very few years. It does not seem that it will be possible to deny human evolution in the face of such an experiment.

In the case where the results of the HGP actually absolutely prove human evolution, this current Parallelism presentation may be the only way of maintaining credibility of Genesis / Creationism in the face of Paleontology / Evolutionism. Even if this research theory turns out to be correct, it STILL doesn't mean that mankind is related to any other creature; it just means that the Lord prearranged another detail regarding parallel perceptions of our environment to enable us to come to that conclusion for the sake of scientific consistency.We already know that He made our blood and DNA very, very similar to that of some apes; He left intriguing ancient skeletons that seem to hint at mutual origins. He left all this totally consistent scientific evidence for the benefit of our intellectual curiosity!

An Additional Thought

If, several thousand years ago, a group of people tried to fake a Bible, and therefore Genesis 1, they would have had that same dozen or so events to chain together into a believable story for Genesis. They would have wanted to include references to the creation of earth (land), man, water, people, the Sun, large animals, small animals, fishes, birds, plants, the Moon, the stars.

If they did actually do this, they did a pretty stupid job of faking it, because the story line really wouldn't be very believable to people of the time.

The ORDER of events seems really peculiar. Why light before dry ground? Why plants before animals? Why everything before man (who would need to witness it all to be able to be aware of it)? Why ocean animals first? Why, even, a WHOLE DAY to create light, while a LOT of things apparently happened on the Sixth Day?

A plausible fake story wouldn't have had such a sequence. An intelligent faker of the time would have spun quite a different tale for the Biblical Genesis sequence of events. Many reasonable sequences seem far more logical than the Genesis story.

But that ancient Bible (including Genesis 1) was written, around 3,300 years ago, as it is understood today.

Only in the past two hundred years has science started to be capable of recognizing the (apparently) correct scientific sequence of those events. And they have turned out to be REMARKABLY similar. One can apply the scientific approach of statistics to the two sequences. (the statistical reasoning.)

There are several billion different permutations of sequences possible regarding those dozen or so events. Actually, for the fourteen events included in the descriptions above, there are 14! or 14-factorial possible sequences that were available. Maybe that doesn't sound like a very big number but 14! is the same as 87,178,291,200. An astounding number of possible storylines that a faker could have chosen from! A mere storyteller could have selected any of them. Why not have Adam created first, so he could witness all the rest? Why not Earth first as a logical starting point? But LIGHT was first!The amazing similarity of Creation and science sequences confirms that from a scientific statistical point of view, the likelihood that the Bible could have been faked is probably far less than one in a million. That's a compelling statistically valid proof that the Bible MUST be what it claims to be, inspired by God himself! The people of the day didn't have anywhere near enough information available to them to get the sequence of Genesis events in the correct order unless God was giving guidance! For example, there is NO chance that people back then could have known that LIGHT preceded everything else!

As another observation, have you ever noticed how LITTLE of Genesis 1 was involved in creating mankind? God used the first Five Days in creating Light and the Earth, and the oceans and plants and the fishes. Even much of the Sixth Day was used up creating all the various animals. Hardly a sentence is involved in the eventual appearance of Adam. Doesn't it seem, that if the Bible was faked, that human authors would have spent much of Genesis 1 emphasizing the special effort and attention that God paid in creating us? It would seem that self-centered, arrogant human authors would have tried to find some way of getting all of the rest of Creation out of the way on the First Day, so God could spend the rest of the days concentrating on these wondrous humans! But that is not the case! It seems to be additional strong evidence that humans did not write the Bible, specifically Genesis.

Since no human up to less than a hundred years ago had the knowledge to list the various Genesis events in the "correct" scientific order, and since it just isn't written in the anthropocentric way that we humans tend to do, there seems to be overwhelming support for the validity of the Bible being directly from the Inspiration of God. The many additional proofs offered by others, including historical and archaeological evidence and textual analysis, collectively make, to me, an overwhelming case for the Bible being directly from God.

The author feels that a Parallelism http://mb-soft.com/public/duality.html approach is a compelling resolution to the age-old animosity between Christians and scientists. (The article of mine just referred to in this link has a more thorough presentation and even "proof" that the two very different perspectives [such as a strict Six-Day Creation and multi-billion year science] can each be totally true). In addition, the remarkable similarities between the sequence of events described in Genesis 1 and by modern science seems to present strong scientific, statistical proof of God's existence, and therefore strongly supports the accuracy and truth of the Bible. Hopefully, as a result of this, some scientists who have had closed minds regarding Christianity, will see this as evidence that they should consider looking into Christianity as it could apply in their own lives.

As i made told. Who really knows. It's all a matter of conflixcting terminologies and jargons. But, if you read through this entire passage and not a glimmer of introspective thought ocured to you.

Well, thenI suppose it is a matter of little consequence, really.

What truly matter is what..is.

As to how it was to become..the"is.' in inconsequencial.

Ever surmise?

That the probility is→ We humans will be as "Pi" always getting closer yet never get ther.

What matters with those who can claim being members of the true inrelligencia is wheter the are capable that what calculus so declares→ statistics refute it in many cases.

You now, I am a very amibale woman and extremely flexible. I am though also one of rather high authority with a position demanding a an ability to command.

It wa sqyite a trnsistion from psychiatrist to hedge fund manager.

But, I so as to happen to love..

chalenges.

Ic tom mi kohneck.

Nazamzi, kohoneck→ Mi un tac mudre.I

You so are knowing?

Please accommadate me with a display!

Edited February 15, 2012 by Queen of Wands

Tres Juicy · February 15, 2012

Where have you copied this from?

It's not written in your style/vocabulary

What matters with those who can claim being members of the true inrelligencia is wheter the are capable that what calculus so declares→ statistics refute it in many cases.

You now, I am a very amibale woman and extremely flexible. I am though also one of rather high authority with a position demanding a an ability to command.

It wa sqyite a trnsistion from psychiatrist to hedge fund manager.

But, I so as to happen to love..

chalenges.

Look at the grammar and spelling in this last paragraph compared to the main body of the text.

Edited February 15, 2012 by Tres Juicy

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