LucidDreamer Posted November 12, 2004 Posted November 12, 2004 Let us settle one thing here if nothing else. IQ is not a measurement of practical knowledge garnered from our wonderful educational system, it is a way of quantifying an individual's ability to assimilate the information presented them. Which brings me back to the point of child genius, if intelligence were based upon education, this would not be possible. It is highly unlikely that a five year old will score a 36 on the ACT, but that is a test of knowledge not intelligence, moreover it is quite possible that the same child may score above 140 when presented with an IQ test. How could that be you ask? Well could it be that an individuals ABILITY TO LEARN is in no way influenced by such factors as age, wealth, geographic location, or political affiliation? Your example of a child who scores highly on an IQ test does not support your argument. The IQ test is normalized according to age. If you are 12 then you have to get the same amount of questions correctly as the mean average of 12-year-olds to score a 100. One twelve-year-old child that lives in an intellectually impoverished environment will not do as well as a child who grew up in a very stimulating environment if the genetic abilities of the children are equal. Do you really believe that if I took one child and exposed him to the most intellectually stimulating environment possible, constantly challenging him every second of the day, that he would not end up with a higher IQ than if I sat him in front of the TV all day? Do you really believe that those southern states are full of genetically inferior people? Evidence that IQ is dependent on education: 1) The Carolina Abecedarian project: Several young children that were born into impoverished families were exposed to intellectually stimulating environments and their IQ's were periodically measured. Their IQ's were found to be significantly higher than the IQ's of children in the same environment without the program's intellectual stimulation. http://www.fpg.unc.edu/%7Eabc/ http://www.childtrends.org/Lifecourse/programs/CarolinaAbecedarianProgram.htm Similar projects that also showed increases in IQ: Harlem Training Project The Milwaukee Project http://www.nga.org/common/issueBriefDetailPrint/1%2C1434%2C1747%2C00.html 2) The Flynn effect: IQ scores have been steadily rising at a rate of 3-6 points per decade. http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=00037F65-D9C0-1C6A-84A9809EC588EF21&pageNumber=1&catID=2 http://www.increasingintelligence.com/envir.html 3) SAT scores: There is a very high correlation (.80) between IQ scores and SAT scores. There isn't any great need for people to attempt to raise their IQs but SATs are very important for a student’s admission into a college in the US. SAT scores are easily increased with both regular schoolroom education and by special cram sessions taught by the Princeton Review. http://www.sq.4mg.com/IQ-SAT.htm A quote from the Princeton review: "Our students' scores improve an average of 140 points. The top 25 percent improve by 250 points or more. Your score is guaranteed to jump at least 100 points."
Douglas Posted November 12, 2004 Posted November 12, 2004 Can a correlation be made?Discuss..... This is the 2000 election, it appears as if the same chart was used in 2004. I'm the one who posted the IQ chart correlating IQ and votes in the 2000 election. As the "humor" contributor, I am the one that tracks down amusing stories or cartoons to post here at the American Assembler. When I posted this chart I had no idea the ruckus it would cause from both the left, who opposed conjuring up the whole IQ business, and the right, who opposed the supposed stats.http://americanassembler.com/features/iq_state_averages.htm
LucidDreamer Posted November 12, 2004 Posted November 12, 2004 No it doesn't....intelligence affects education, not the other way around Intelligence affects the level of education that you achieve and vice versa. Mainly, the amount of education that you receive as a child affects your intelligence, and your intelligence will affect the level of education that you receive as an adult.
Bald Wonder Posted November 13, 2004 Posted November 13, 2004 Yep, this chart is a phony: http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/stateiq.asp Nevertheless, it has resulted in an interesting discussion.
Mad Mardigan Posted November 13, 2004 Posted November 13, 2004 Losers will always try to make themselves look better.
Sayonara Posted November 14, 2004 Posted November 14, 2004 Losers will always try to make themselves look better. You know, there is such a thing as grace in victory.
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