Credible UFO sightings

[Moontanman]

NASA sent people to the moon, that doesn't mean it has to build moon cities. If you're talking about highly maneuverable aircrafts, why would you want to public to have access to it? If any enemy got a hold of it, it could be reverse engineered and used against them once someone else figured out how it worked.

 

Such technology always makes it into the public eye, stealth technology once the most super secret technology the US had is now well known the air craft are flying at air shows and stealth technology is much newer than 1947...

 

 

I didn't say they couldn't be alien crafts, I said any given UFO likely isn't. However, I still think that an experimental air craft of some nation or group is more likely than extra-terrestrial life developing then creating space technology then finding Earth.

http://www.thetruthbehindthescenes.org/2010/08/06/the-foo-fighters-of-world-war-two/

There are weird experiments of other nations as well. Ion mercury plasma balls? Who woulda thought. Given that My Lai wasn't even known throughout the military itself until many many years later, I think there's room for secrets.

 

Foo fighters are puzzling, i addressed them an earlier post and btw a foo fighter was shot down at least once, the report stated in was flying close to a low flying bomber over japan and a gunner shot it and it fell to earth and crashes starting a fire...

 

It doesn't rule out that the objects were man made. I could put a thin solar panel on a weather balloon in the shape of a disk to provide electricity for small measuring equipment on the weather balloon or some type of atmospheric device, and the picture could be taken from someone who I didn't think was watching because I was out in the plains and never bothered to correct it because I don't usually pay attention to UFO news.

 

Like I said, photo analysis can show stuff like that to be fake and if the photo has no frame of reference it is always suspect...

 

http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/1995/30/image/a/

 

The nearest galaxy is the Andromeda galaxy, since this galaxy is not the Andromeda galaxy, it must be further away. How much further I don't know, but at least twice as far given the size of our galactic cluster. Radio telescopes and devices could definitely pick something up from within our own galaxy.

 

Your link has nothing to do with radio telescopes or detecting an alien signal...

 

Anyway, after looking at articles like this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_incident

Even though the official report states what was uncovered was possibly a weather balloon, or that the corpses were not alien but rather dummies or mutations, I'll say you convinced me it's a little more likely, but I certainly don't expect things to be like Men in Black.

 

 

I thought Roswell was horse feathers at first but the governments series of this is the no kidding truth this time explanation kinda makes the gov look guilty...

[SamBridge]

Such technology always makes it into the public eye

Perhaps eventually it does, but usually not while it is being worked on, not in these recent times. You would need to have some level of espionage to find it. Experiments that show little progress or are based off of design patented through some public patenting office could have easily been seen by any civilian or talked about among military officials and civilians once they returned, but ideas that originate from within the military are often kept secret for at least a good while, unless again there's large espionage depending on the level of it's secrecy.

 

 

 

a foo fighter was shot down at least once, the report stated in was flying close to a low flying bomber over japan and a gunner shot it and it fell to earth and crashes starting a fire...

 

And what did they recover? Alien bodies? New technology? Don't tell me it was conveniently completely destroyed.

 

 

 

Like I said, photo analysis can show stuff like that to be fake and if the photo has no frame of reference it is always suspect...

Photo analysis doesn't have unlimited power, world banks can be fooled by counterfeit money even, that's why I asked you to cite it. If there's some blurry oval there's no way to tell just from that if it's man made or not, people are obviously capable of making large objects or small ones.

 

 

 

I thought Roswell was horse feathers at first but the governments series of this is the no kidding truth this time explanation kinda makes the gov look guilty...

So the government can hide or dilute the truth about it's findings or discoveries...interesting

Edited February 25, 2013 by SamBridge

[Moontanman]

Perhaps eventually it does, but usually not while it is being worked on, not in these recent times. You would need to have some level of espionage to find it. Experiments that show little progress or are based off of design patented through some public patenting office could have easily been seen by any civilian or talked about among military officials and civilians once they returned, but ideas that originate from within the military are often kept secret for at least a good while, unless again there's large espionage depending on the level of it's secrecy.

 

The technology I am talking about was in 1947 Sam, 65 years Sam, if our government has the technology to do the things the UFOs were sighted doing 1947 the Apollo space program was a waste of time and money...

 

And what did they recover? Alien bodies? New technology? Don't tell me it was conveniently completely destroyed.

 

Nothing of course, the bomber was american it was over japan on a low level bombing run the foo fighter feel to the ground in a large explosion and is about as well documented as German foo fighters powered by mercury ion drives...

 

Photo analysis doesn't have unlimited power, world banks can be fooled by counterfeit money even, that's why I asked you to cite it. If there's some blurry oval there's no way to tell just from that if it's man made or not, people are obviously capable of making large objects or small ones.

 

And yet many photos that are thought to be inexplicable are not of blurry ovals...

 

So the government can hide or dilute the truth about it's findings or discoveries...interesting

 

 

It can try but the leaks always come out...

Edited February 25, 2013 by Moontanman

[SamBridge]

The technology I am talking about was in 1947 Sam, 65 years Sam, if our government has the technology to do the things the UFOs were sighted doing 1947 the Apollo space program was a waste of time and money...

Didn't you say the Roswell thing was fake? Even though the people among the government speculated it could be aliens?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nothing of course, the bomber was american it was over japan on a low level bombing run the foo fighter feel to the ground in a large explosion and is about as well documented as German foo fighters powered by mercury ion drives...

How unpredictable, a UFO crashed and no evidence of aliens?

 

 

 

And yet many photos that are thought to be inexplicable are not of blurry ovals...

But many are professionally thought to not be alien crafts, you can't tell from a photo if a shiny and noisy disk as man-made or not, but you can say since many don't exist and we haven't ran into any aliens that have said "yep that's ours", seems more likely it's man made, regardless of the distance it may have. I bet I could make a shiny disk and launch it into the air, perhaps small enough to remote control it like a remote control helicopter, which is pretty maneuverable. They had radio technology back then.

Just out of curiosity why only in 1947 and later was there some leap in UFO interest? Sure there were maybe a couple religious photos from hundreds of years ago with disk-like objects, even though halos were depicted then as well, but that's still a pretty large gap of time.

 

It can try but the leaks always come out...

No, it doesn't "always" leak out. We definitely don't know every single thing the Greek government did even though we've had over 3000 years to investigate it.

Edited February 26, 2013 by SamBridge

[Arnaud Antoine ANDRIEU]

SamB... what do you think about that link on wikipedia ? wiki/2009_Norwegian_spiral_anomaly

 

Edited February 26, 2013 by Arnaud Antoine ANDRIEU

[SamBridge]

SamB... what do you think about that link on wikipedia ? wiki/2009_Norwegian_spiral_anomaly

 

I remember reading an article about that on yahoo, didn't mention aliens, I remember reading it was missiles, which seems to match up with wikipedia to some extent as well.

"Both events had the expected visual features of failed flights of Russian SLBM RSM-56 Bulava missiles"

[Arnaud Antoine ANDRIEU]

from The sun in UK "Russian missile failure ?" : http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2764647/Spiral-UFO-puts-Norway-in-a-spin.html

 

[Moontanman]

There are schools of thought that UFOs deserve to be investigated not because they might be aliens but because we don't know why they are.

 

Humans seem to tend to want there to be things beyond their keen, something more powerful something more than human, we've been seeing these powerful "things" "gods" Aliens" and other supernatural things since ancient times, are they something of substance or something that speaks volumes about the human psyche.

[SamBridge]

There are schools of thought that UFOs deserve to be investigated not because they might be aliens but because we don't know why they are.

But the inexplicable ones don't have predictable patterns, which means they are random objects. Some are disks and maneuver well, some are tubed shaped and speed by, some are diamonds that drop chemicals, or some are glowing balls, the only consistency is that they are objects in the air, otherwise there is no concise pattern. It's like investigating which side will turn up on a die, it's just random. If you were talking about investigating the government's involvement with aerial technology, you could go for it, but you better have killer hacking skills. Otherwise, you will just have to wait either for leaks to possibly come out, people to admit to hoaxes, or for aliens to say "here we are".

 

 

Humans seem to tend to want there to be things beyond their keen

Stephan Hawking doesn't

http://voices.yahoo.com/et-go-home-stephen-hawking-warns-us-stay-away-from-5913574.html

Edited February 26, 2013 by SamBridge

[Moontanman]

But the inexplicable ones don't have predictable patterns, which means they are random objects. Some are disks and maneuver well, some are tubed shaped and speed by, some are diamonds that drop chemicals, or some are glowing balls, the only consistency is that they are objects in the air, otherwise there is no concise pattern. It's like investigating which side will turn up on a die, it's just random. If you were talking about investigating the government's involvement with aerial technology, you could go for it, but you better have killer hacking skills. Otherwise, you will just have to wait either for leaks to possibly come out, people to admit to hoaxes, or for aliens to say "here we are".

 

Who are you to assert that UFOs must have predictable patterns?

 

Stephan Hawking doesn't

http://voices.yahoo.com/et-go-home-stephen-hawking-warns-us-stay-away-from-5913574.html

 

 

Every one has an opinion, in this case he is not the first to suggest that and hiding from aliens is a bit less than possible if they are already here...

 

Didn't you say the Roswell thing was fake? Even though the people among the government speculated it could be aliens?

 

yes I did but i didn't say it was the only sighting from that time period, please stop straw manning...

 

How unpredictable, a UFO crashed and no evidence of aliens?

 

 

Well considering it crashed into a the middle of fire bombing a Japanese city that might be a bit much to expect but my point was that your article was full of fiction woven with fact and sold as the truth...

 

But many are professionally thought to not be alien crafts, you can't tell from a photo if a shiny and noisy disk as man-made or not, but you can say since many don't exist and we haven't ran into any aliens that have said "yep that's ours", seems more likely it's man made, regardless of the distance it may have. I bet I could make a shiny disk and launch it into the air, perhaps small enough to remote control it like a remote control helicopter, which is pretty maneuverable. They had radio technology back then.

Just out of curiosity why only in 1947 and later was there some leap in UFO interest? Sure there were maybe a couple religious photos from hundreds of years ago with disk-like objects, even though halos were depicted then as well, but that's still a pretty large gap of time.

 

UFOs were already being studied by 1947, their are historical sightings from nearly any time period but the further back you go the more Religious the explanations becomes... but in a few cases they were seen as silver shields and actually attacked Alexander the Greats army

 

http://ufoevidence.org/cases/case491.htm

 

No, it doesn't "always" leak out. We definitely don't know every single thing the Greek government did even though we've had over 3000 years to investigate it.

 

 

Another strawman, why would we have to know everything to knew some part of it?

 

http://ufoevidence.org/Cases/CaseView.asp?section=sortoldest

[Semjase]

If you were talking about investigating the government's involvement with aerial technology, you could go for it, but you better have killer hacking skills. Otherwise, you will just have to wait either for leaks to possibly come out, people to admit to hoaxes, or for aliens to say "here we are".

 

"here we are"

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAheI1bRl5g

 

 

"leaks to possibly come out"

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYKJx3GnNzQ

Edited February 26, 2013 by Semjase

[Moontanman]

Semjase, what did you just post? my computer identified it was two invasive programs...

[Semjase]

Semjase, what did you just post? my computer identified it was two invasive programs...

 

Mine didn't. Search YouTube for Robert Lazar and also KGB aliens

and you find the videos, they are very revealing and informative concerning

government involvement in back engineering of UFO craft and actual footage

of alien beings.

[John Cuthber]

Past experience of Semjase's ability to discriminate good from bad on youtube indicates that it may leave a lot to be desired.

http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/72880-meteorite-fall-in-chelyabinsk/?p=730122

[Moontanman]

I watched them Semjase... you seriously cannot continue to delve into the stuff with out being highly skeptical, as much as it fascinates me and how much i wish aliens would land... You just can't accept everything people claim to be true... I admit to having levels of skepticism, all of it interests me but so does the comedy of Whoopi Goldberg but i don't latch on to her satire as anything but satire...

 

The first flag raised in my skepticism is when someone is making money off telling me what I want to hear....

[Semjase]

I watched them Semjase... you seriously cannot continue to delve into the stuff with out being highly skeptical, as much as it fascinates me and how much i wish aliens would land... You just can't accept everything people claim to be true... I admit to having levels of skepticism, all of it interests me but so does the comedy of Whoopi Goldberg but i don't latch on to her satire as anything but satire...

 

The first flag raised in my skepticism is when someone is making money off telling me what I want to hear..

 

 

I've found another report on area 51 that tends to give a certain

amount of credibility to the other 2 videos

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdrDfSBy-2c

[John Cuthber]

"I've found another report on area 51 that tends to give a certain

amount of credibility to the other 2 videos"

No it doesn't.

[Semjase]

Here's a so called grey alien in a crop circle holding a

CD with a messages, the type depicted in the video's.

I guess this crop circle is fake as well?

 

The disc was deciphered by Paul Vigay by simply
using ASCII computer code:

"Beware
the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES. Much PAIN but
still time. There is GOOD out there. We Oppose DECEPTION. Conduit
CLOSING."

[Moontanman]

All crop circles are man made Semjase, the idea of crop circles being anything but man made was refuted a decade ago...

[Semjase]

There was a documentary made about crop circles filmed being made

by UFO's that could of no way been made by people.

 

Here's a 30 second excerpt from that documentary showing the crop circle

being made by a UFO

 

[pwagen]

The disc was deciphered by Paul Vigay by simply

using ASCII computer code:

So aliens are using ASCII codes? That's amazing, especially since we here on this planet have used a multitude of different alphabets over the course of time. But both we and the aliens are using the Latin alphabet? Amazing!

[Semjase]

All crop circles are man made Semjase, the idea of crop circles being anything but man made was refuted a decade ago...

 

That's a fallacy crop circles are not man made their extraterrestrial in origin

there have been numerous UFO sightings around crop circles, the article

below proves that they are not man made, I don't see how any rationally intelligent

adult could say otherwise.

 

 

http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/education.html

[Moontanman]

Semjase, that video is an outright hoax, the people who did it, did it on a lark to see how easy it was to fool the crop circle crazies... It was special effect studio and the whole thing is an absolute intentional fake...

[pwagen]

http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/education.html

I see your pseudoscience and raise with the perpetrators.

http://www.circlemakers.org/exhibit_a.html

[Moontanman]

I see your pseudoscience and raise with the perpetrators.

http://www.circlemakers.org/exhibit_a.html

 

 

awesome...