A Wish

[Moontanman]

Couldn't Shultz argue that it's true that what should happen is to rip someone's heart out and play with it like a football? Oh wait he already did that...

 

While I do deplore such violent imagery it is indeed just that but saying a young girl is a slut because she uses birth control is a little different. I might say I hate so and so so much I'd like to rip his head off and shit down his neck but that reflects my own insanity and doesn't show anything about the person I hate to much. But if I call some one a slut with no evidence other than they are on birth control that is another matter. .

 

So what's your point by only pointing out that it happens on Fox news? That Fox news reporters are the only ones out of the republican party who say those things?

 

Fox News is nothing but a propaganda mouth piece of the Republican party, they lie and misrepresent the truth in anyway possible as long as it agrees with them the end justifies the means... This is off topic i think btw.

[questionposter]

The point I was making is that none of the "left wing" loonies seem quite as weird as the right wing ones (though the latest post by Rigney shows Schultz getting close).

Saying "I think we should rip his heart out and play football with it" is insensitive, and probably dumb in terms of swinging public opinion, but it's not as absurdly false as some of the claims made by the right wing like "Obama wasn't born in the US".

One is a matter of opinion (albeit a minority view if taken literally) but the other is just not consistent with the real world.

 

While it may seem weird, a logical conclusion can in fact be itself, relative. I'm pretty sure Obama was born in the US, but not everyone has every bit of information, so it's not to say that what they are saying isn't logical though, but if they don't have the right information they cannot logically come to the same conclusion as you unless by guessing.

Even with a sort of apparent lack of "looniness" in the left wing, for now I"m still going to say that based off my own personal experiences and logic itself that there are in fact Democrats/Liberals that are as bad as Republicans/Conservatives.

 

While I do deplore such violent imagery it is indeed just that but saying a young girl is a slut because she uses birth control is a little different. I might say I hate so and so so much I'd like to rip his head off and shit down his neck but that reflects my own insanity and doesn't show anything about the person I hate to much. But if I call some one a slut with no evidence other than they are on birth control that is another matter. .

But I thought slut was a matter of opinion...

 

 

 

Fox News is nothing but a propaganda mouth piece of the Republican party, they lie and misrepresent the truth in anyway possible as long as it agrees with them the end justifies the means... This is off topic i think btw.

That's probably true about Fox, but I still know Republicans who also agree.

 

Edited March 25, 2012 by questionposter

[Moontanman]

While it may seem weird, a logical conclusion can in fact be itself, relative. I'm pretty sure Obama was born in the US, but not everyone has every bit of information, so it's not to say that what they are saying isn't logical though, but if they don't have the right information they cannot logically come to the same conclusion as you unless by guessing.

 

 

They have the correct information, they don't care about the correct information unless it agrees with their political agenda. They knowingly and intentionally lie to deceive people and then claim to be a news network...

[questionposter]

They have the correct information, they don't care about the correct information unless it agrees with their political agenda. They knowingly and intentionally lie to deceive people and then claim to be a news network...

 

They probably do that occasionally, but I think it's more complex than that. I think it's an association with a particular mode of thinking in which people cling to specific guidelines. I'm pretty sure Obama was born in the US, but as improbable as I think it is, there is still a chance it's fake. In fact, I don't know if he actually did it or if he was bs-ing me to try and impress me, but there was a very very good programmer I knew who said he erased someone's identity after getting into an argument with him. The mind-set isn't that it's wrong, it's that it automatically assumes information along certain parameters, and it is possible that it's fake, and it fits the mind-set parameters. This kind of thing happens a lot more than you think though. Just look at beauty: any particular thing isn't actually universally ugly or beautiful, it's just how you look at that image, or how your brain assumes the information of it and what it does with it.

Even with quantum mechanics, you have these pre-conceived notions of how things should work so you assume how things should work, which causes problems. The same point particle never occupies two different spacial locations, even though people say that's impossible and therefore think QM is wrong or too strange, mostly because that's what it seems like.

Edited March 25, 2012 by questionposter

[John Cuthber]

Oh come on. Talking about the beauty of things and the nature of quantum mechanics has nothing to do with the fact that there was never any sensible reason to doubt Obama's birthplace. It was a straightforward xenophobic attack.

[questionposter]

Oh come on. Talking about the beauty of things and the nature of quantum mechanics has nothing to do with the fact that there was never any sensible reason to doubt Obama's birthplace. It was a straightforward xenophobic attack.

 

 

How did you get the "beauty of nature" from what I said? You must be some right-wing extremist bent and trying to alter everything for your own gain.

[John Cuthber]

How did you get the "beauty of nature" from what I said? You must be some right-wing extremist bent and trying to alter everything for your own gain.

Because you said "Just look at beauty: any particular thing isn't actually universally ugly or beautiful, "

 

Now can we get back to the question of whether there was any sensible basis for doubting Obama's citizenship?

If not, was it xenophobia?

It might have been a simple smear campaign, but would it have worked against a white guy?

[questionposter]

Because you said "Just look at beauty: any particular thing isn't actually universally ugly or beautiful, "

To was to express relativity, not "beauty" as you put it.

 

Now can we get back to the question of whether there was any sensible basis for doubting Obama's citizenship?

If not, was it xenophobia?

It might have been a simple smear campaign, but would it have worked against a white guy?

 

The mechanism for latching on to such a notion could be a complex involvement with xenophobia, but it still remains that it's possible, and because of that it fits the parameters.

 

There really isn't an actually "mathematical" statistic for the likelihood Obama was actually born in the US unless you calculate the odds of any particular person being born in any particular part of the world, which is kind of slim except for China and India.

It's kind of like with God, even if we find it improbable, there's nothing to actually prove how much or that it it is the case either way, so it's technically a 50/50 chance on it's own.

Edited March 26, 2012 by questionposter

[John Cuthber]

"It's kind of like with God, even if we find it improbable, there's nothing to actually prove how much or that it it is the case either way, so it's technically a 50/50 chance on it's own. "

That's like saying that either you are a murderer or you are not- so it's 50:50.

In particular, I could look at unsolved murders over the last year. I'm sure there are more than 20 of them.

By your logic it's 50:50 that you committed the first of them and again 50% that you didn't.

It's also a 50% chance that you committed the second of them. So the chance that you were not responsible for either is 50% of 50% i.e 1 in 4.

If we take the other murders into account then there's only a 1 in a million chance that you didn't kill (at least) one of the victims.

 

Are you going to admit to murder or admit that your maths is wrong?

[questionposter]

"It's kind of like with God, even if we find it improbable, there's nothing to actually prove how much or that it it is the case either way, so it's technically a 50/50 chance on it's own. "

That's like saying that either you are a murderer or you are not- so it's 50:50.

In particular, I could look at unsolved murders over the last year. I'm sure there are more than 20 of them.

By your logic it's 50:50 that you committed the first of them and again 50% that you didn't.

It's also a 50% chance that you committed the second of them. So the chance that you were not responsible for either is 50% of 50% i.e 1 in 4.

If we take the other murders into account then there's only a 1 in a million chance that you didn't kill (at least) one of the victims.

 

Are you going to admit to murder or admit that your maths is wrong?

 

I think your misunderstanding it: if there's a lot of evidence to support it and no counter-evidence/points, then there's like a 95% chance.

If there are equal points to support the claim of the defendant being guilty, then it's 50/50. With god, this is pretty much the case, the only thing that would have a high chance of being wrong are the words of the bible, not necessarily the existence of god.

With Obama, I guess it is more than 50/50, but now that I think about it, I don't think he's a terrorist or anything, but I can imagine someone secretly immigrating and a doctor feeling sorry for them and faking a birth certificate, and not even Obama found it out. I don't really think there's anything wrong with that though anyway. He's president already, if he wanted to destroy the US he would have launched nuclear missiles at Russia or something. I guess if a doctor could remember it, that should definitely seal it off, although someone might say he was paid off, which I would then find improbable because that would mean Obama actually has something to hide, which he doesn't seem to have especially if even he thinks he was born in the US.

Edited March 29, 2012 by questionposter