nitelyechos Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 i understand the halogen is substituted by the nucleophile (CH3O-) in most cases but how do i tell which is the exception? problem: R-X + CH3O- CH3OR + X- which haloalkane would not undergo the reaction above? CH2=CH-CH2-Br CH3Cl CH2=CH-I CH3CH2Br CH3CH2CH2Cl
hypervalent_iodine Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 I'm assuming this is a homework question. What do you think the answer is? It will help you to have a look at the substrates in that list and try to work out a product for each one.
nitelyechos Posted March 18, 2012 Author Posted March 18, 2012 as for as i understand in each case the haloalkane would follow the formula R-X + CH3O- CH3OR + X- i dont know how any of the haloalkanes in the list would give any products accept CH3OR + X-, but i do believe that if one of the haloalkanes is an exception to this formula it would be because of the halogen. the halogen would reform with CH3O- and give a product like CH3OX + R or something crazy like that. so am i right that i just need to focus on the halogens? if so my money is on CH2=CH-I since its the only haloalkane listed with iodide.
hypervalent_iodine Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 In fact, because the atomic radii of iodine is so large, iodide - carbon bonds are more labile and therefore tend to be much more reactive than corresponding chlorides or bromides; substitution not only occurs but occurs at a much faster rates where X = I. I will tell you that it isn't to do with the halide. Have another look at your substrates and draw the reaction product (and the mechanism). Look at the reacting carbon centres and see if you can you pick any substrate in there that looks out of place.
mississippichem Posted March 18, 2012 Posted March 18, 2012 I will tell you that it isn't to do with the halide. Have another look at your substrates and draw the reaction product (and the mechanism). Look at the reacting carbon centres and see if you can you pick any substrate in there that looks out of place. To the OP in addition to the above: Let me add that you should find the substrate that has different electronics around the carbon atom attached to the leaving group. I hope this isn't too much of a hint. Remember that traditional SN1 and SN2 reactions need to happen at carbons with a certain geometry and a certain electronic structure. If I told you what that electronic structure and geometry were it would give away the answer.
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