Widdekind Posted April 9, 2012 Posted April 9, 2012 According to the Law of Bio-Complexity, life evolves increasing complexity (forward in time). Ergo, early earth life was simpler (life devolves to decreasing complexity backwards in time). Now, the most complex non-biological (organic, carbon-based) chemistry, occurs in "bio-tars", black-brown organic goos, composed of carbonaceous compounds constantly chemically reacting (McFadden. Quantum Evolution). Given sufficient quantities of "goo", and sufficient time to chemically react, bio-tars become "Belsteins" (to quote Prof. Urey), i.e. they come to contain essentially every conceivable organic chemical (even if in trace amounts), indiscriminately interacting, via every conceivable organic chemical reaction (even if slowly) (Deamer. First Life). Ipso facto, bio-tar "reaction networks" grow over time, given sufficient quantities & times, e.g. "trillions of tons for millions of years", according to "combinatorial chemistry", e.g. B --> C --> A in the following figure: A sufficiently robust reaction network would contain all bio-chemicals (e.g. 20 amino-acids, 5 nucleo-bases, etc.); and all bio-chemical reactions, i.e. all metabolic pathways. Ergo, sufficiently "cooked" bio-tars contain "trace bio-chemistry", "mired" amidst myriad other non-biological organic chemistries ? So, as Genes patterned Proteins, which "Enzymes" catalyzed more-and-more, of the bio-chemical pathways, an entire "bio-chemical system" could "emerge" from amidst they myriad competing organic chemistries, gradually out-competing them, and gradually incorporating all the carbon in the bio-tar ? I.e. the robust reaction-network would "pare & prune down", until the "tangled web" streamlined into a "few major thoroughfares" (or, "a few major 'vines', amidst the 'tangled mass of ivy', grew thick & fat, whilst the others withered away") ? I.e. what we humans identify, as special, i.e. "biological", organic chemistry, is merely the "most successful" organic chemistry, to have occurred, upon our planet (the "Microsoft Monopoly" to have emerged from the "organic bio-tar marketplace"), having evolved self-catalyzing Enzymes, that accelerate bio-organic-chemistry, to occur, considerably more quickly, than non-catalyzed natural organic-chemistry ?
CharonY Posted April 9, 2012 Posted April 9, 2012 Making up laws qualifies for speculations. In short, premise is wrong.
mississippichem Posted April 10, 2012 Posted April 10, 2012 Given sufficient quantities of "goo", and sufficient time to chemically react, bio-tars become "Belsteins" (to quote Prof. Urey), i.e. they come to contain essentially every conceivable organic chemical (even if in trace amounts), indiscriminately interacting, via every conceivable organic chemical reaction (even if slowly) I think you may grossly underestimate the variety of conditions required to make "every conceivable organic chemical reaction" happen. As far as every conceivable organic compound existing in one place...well that can't even be close to correct as many conceivable compounds can't both exist in the same place as they will degrade each other. What is it that you intend to discuss here Widdekind?
tar Posted April 10, 2012 Posted April 10, 2012 And where do bio-tars come from? Are they not the remnant of earlier bio-masses? ie. some carbon and compounds already amassed by life processes? Can't have earlier life setting the stage for the emergence of life, now can we?
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