Did God Commit Sin

[seriously disabled]

I'm not an expert in theology but sometimes I get the feeling that God and Satan are actually one and the same being.

 

I mean in the bible God does many things which look questionable to me like killing the firstborns of Egypt and also punishing the Egyptians when he himself hardens Pharaoh's heart.

 

Also in the book of Job, God lets Job suffer needlessly in life and for what? God also sends people to an eternal Hell and for what? For committing finite crimes during a single lifetime on Earth?

 

It looks to me like God sins alot so I think that God and Satan are actually one of the same person.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_as_the_Devil

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_Hell

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_problem_of_pain

Edited May 3, 2012 by seriously disabled

[DrDNA]

I mean in the bible God does many things which look questionable to me like killing the firstborns of Egypt, punishing the Egyptians when he himself hardens Pharaoh's heart.

Many things seem odd at first. Like God telling the Hebrews to kill the Philistines in the land of Palestine after they left Egypt. This seems cruel. But if you read about the Philistines, they worshiped Baal. And part of the worship of Baal required sacrificing babies. God knew that this would infiltrate the Hebrews as they were an apparently wayward bunch. So he chose to have his chosen people not be influenced by this.

 

Also in the book of Job, God lets Job suffer needlessly in life and for what?

This is the part, I believe, where parable and reality meet.

The point actually is, Job did not waver and was rewarded at least 10x.

In other words, you may suffer in the short term, but your reward awaits you in the end.

 

God also sends people to an eternal Hell and for what? For committing finite crimes during a one lifetime on Earth?

He doesn't send anyone. It is all about freedom of choice and free will.

 

It looks to me like God sins a lot

By definition, WE believe that the God of the Hebrews is unable to "sin". What sin do you think that God committed?

[seriously disabled]

What sin do you think that God committed?

 

Well just for the start, please visit this link:

 

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/08/how-many-has-god-killed.html

[John Cuthber]

Many things seem odd at first. Like God telling the Hebrews to kill the Philistines in the land of Palestine after they left Egypt. This seems cruel. But if you read about the Philistines, they worshiped Baal. And part of the worship of Baal required sacrificing babies.

Isn't it rather a pity that God made the Philistines that way?

[DrDNA]

Many things seem odd at first. Like God telling the Hebrews to kill the Philistines in the land of Palestine after they left Egypt. This seems cruel. But if you read about the Philistines, they worshiped Baal. And part of the worship of Baal required sacrificing babies.

Isn't it rather a pity that God made the Philistines that way?

I don't believe that he made the Philistines that way. I think that they chose, through their own free will, to be that way.

[seriously disabled]

Interesting site. And no doubt God did kill a lot of people, but I don't necessarily see the sin in it. Did the allies sin when they killed a bunch of Nazis?

 

In my opinion killing is wrong regardless for what cause.

 

I think your whole argument goes that if God created a creature then he also the right to destroy his creation but that logic is flawed for many reasons because it leads to fatalism and to totalitarianism, the very thing that creationists strongly oppose.

 

This sort of personal philosophy violates the equality between human beings by claiming that they are fully at the mercy of some much more powerful being who always controls their life and always tells them what to do. Beliefs of these kind always lead to tyranny and oppression and subjugation of the weak because they violate the natural equality between human beings.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theocracy

Edited May 3, 2012 by seriously disabled

[DrDNA]

In my opinion killing is wrong regardless for what cause.

 

Would be nice if it was possible, but impractical.

 

You would not take the life of an individual if it was the only means possible, God forbid, to protect a child (or loved one) from imminent death at the hands of said individual?

Edited May 3, 2012 by DrDNA

[John Cuthber]

I don't believe that he made the Philistines that way. I think that they chose, through their own free will, to be that way.

What idiot gave them free will, knowing that they would do that sort of thing?

 

God can't abdicate responsibility that way any more than I can shoot someone then say "it wasn't me that killed him: it was the bullet".

[questionposter]

Would be nice if it was possible, but impractical.

 

You would not take the life of an individual if it was the only means possible, God forbid, to protect a child (or loved one) from imminent death at the hands of said individual?

 

You don't "have" to if you don't want to, and who's to say there isn't another way anyway?

I don't believe that he made the Philistines that way. I think that they chose, through their own free will, to be that way.

 

How come god only chooses what a certain people must do? Why wouldn't he try to s

I think that iNow was actually correct in his choice for terminology. I (perhaps incorrectly) see broken as a metaphor for fallen.

 

Both broken and perfect are pretty relative terms when talking about living organisms. I could argue most plants are perfect because they don't have this mess.

[seriously disabled]

I just fail to see how a God who lets entire Galaxies collide will care at all about humans any more than she cares about say, an earthworm.

 

Lets face it guys, because this universe is so very big and so complex, I think that we are a pretty insignificant race on the scales of inter-galactic existence.

 

http://www.space.com/15499-dark-matter-theory-galaxy-structures.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmicism

Edited May 6, 2012 by seriously disabled