bible quote gradulism uniformatarinism?

[sammy7]

hay this fascinates me:

 

 

2 peter 3-6

³ Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

 

⁴ And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

 

⁵ For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

 

⁶ Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

 

 

 

 

4- is this referring to the concept of gradualism/uniformitarianism? ( ie evolutionary model says world has been as is essentially for x million years etc)

 

5-the scoffers are willingly ignorant of the creation+noahs flood

 

6-noahs flood (obv) so we have since darwin and lyell (150 years or so) this whole new concept of gradualism etc....(which replaced catastrophacism noahs flood)

Edited May 18, 2012 by sammy7

[Moontanman]

hay this fascinates me:

 

 

2 peter 3-6

³ Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

 

⁴ And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

 

⁵ For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

 

⁶ Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

 

Fascinating? Lets see...

 

 

 

 

4- is this referring to the concept of gradualism/uniformitarianism? ( ie evolutionary model says world has been as is essentially for x million years etc)

 

Strawman, evolutionary theory says no such thing...

 

5-the scoffers are willingly ignorant of the creation+noahs flood

 

Quite the contrary, there is no evidence of a world wide flood as described in the bible but there is a huge amount of evidence against such a flood, not the least of which are coral, echinoderms, insects, and fresh and salt water fishes...

 

6-noahs flood (obv) so we have since darwin and lyell (150 years or so) this whole new concept of gradualism etc....(which replaced catastrophacism noahs flood)

 

Again, this is a strawman, yet another dishonest move by creationism... hard to get by that pesky 9th commandment aye sammy7?

Edited May 18, 2012 by Moontanman

[StringJunky]

 

5-the scoffers are willingly ignorant of the creation+noahs flood

 

 

Even Leonardo Da Vinci nailed this 500 years ago:

 

"In Leonardo's day there were several hypotheses of how it was that shells and other living creatures were found in rocks on the tops of mountans. Some believed the shells to have been carried there by the Biblical Flood; others thought that these shells had grown in the rocks. Leonardo had no patience with either hypothesis, and refuted both using his careful observations. Concerning the second hypothesis, he wrote that "such an opinion cannot exist in a brain of much reason; because here are the years of their growth, numbered on their shells, and there are large and small ones to be seen which could not have grown without food, and could not have fed without motion -- and here they could not move." There was every sign that these shells had once been living organisms. What about the Great Flood mentioned in the Bible? Leonardo doubted the existence of a single worldwide flood, noting that there would have been no place for the water to go when it receded. He also noted that "if the shells had been carried by the muddy deluge they would have been mixed up, and separated from each other amidst the mud, and not in regular steps and layers -- as we see them now in our time." He noted that rain falling on mountains rushed downhill, not uphill, and suggested that any Great Flood would have carried fossils away from the land, not towards it. He described sessile fossils such as oysters and corals, and considered it impossible that one flood could have carried them 300 miles inland, or that they could have crawled 300 miles in the forty days and nights of the Biblical flood.

 

How did those shells come to lie at the tops of mountains? Leonardo's answer was remarkably close to the modern one: fossils were once-living organisms that had been buried at a time before the mountains were raised: "it must be presumed that in those places there were sea coasts, where all the shells were thrown up, broken, and divided. . ." Where there is now land, there was once ocean. It was possible, Leonardo thought, that some fossils were buried by floods -- this idea probably came from his observations of the floods of the Arno River and other rivers of north Italy -- but these floods had been repeated, local catastrophes, not a single Great Flood. To Leonardo da Vinci, as to modern paleontologists, fossils indicated the history of the Earth, which extends far beyond human records."

 

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/vinci.html