Doctorbeanjuice Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 I think it is clear to most people who have shared a school class with children/young adults of a set age that any line drawing regarding development is going to be arbitrary and fairly meaningless; and 'one size fits all' means the majority have the wrong size. We do as polities feel the need to set ages of consent - and whilst it is very easy to identify the too low and the too high; these identifications are often just as arbitrary, contextual, and personal. Personally, I think that any government that sets the age of consent higher than the legal minimum to carry a firearm or join military service has its priorities completely screwed. I also think the age of consent should be very close to the age of criminal responsibility - if you can form the mens rea (the mental component of an offence) then you can make a decision about sex. A court can establish the grounds for a rape conviction without the need for strict liability. You are a mad man. The age of criminal responsibility is 10 in the UK and some US states. Do you honestly think a 10 year old can consent to sex? You may as well propose that we don't have an age of consent at all, that we just permit all the 'consensual/hramless' sex between adults and children... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imatfaal Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 You are a mad man. The age of criminal responsibility is 10 in the UK and some US states. Do you honestly think a 10 year old can consent to sex? You may as well propose that we don't have an age of consent at all, that we just permit all the 'consensual/hramless' sex between adults and children... No - I think the age of criminal responsibility is far far too low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctorbeanjuice Posted June 7, 2012 Author Share Posted June 7, 2012 No - I think the age of criminal responsibility is far far too low. So when 13 year olds commit rape and violence they should be punished with a light spanking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imatfaal Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 So when 13 year olds commit rape and violence they should be punished with a light spanking? This is rapidly getting offtopic - I do not believe 13 years can commit rape and violence in the eyes of a court because they cannot form the necessary mental component of a crime. children who commit acts, which if committed by an adult would be subject to criminal prosecution, should be placed under the care of Doctors and specialists. ! Moderator Note The posts were split off from the main topic in biology on the age of consent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anders Hoveland Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 NAMBLA is the latest front in the gay rights movement. This should really not be surprising. It's a slippery slope... No doubt in 50 years it will be considered a hate crime for a man to attack a pedophile that has "consentually" had sex with his little daughter. All the children will be reading in their school history books about how pedophiles were "oppressed". We can already see this happening with Harvey Milk being celebrated in California public schools. -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imatfaal Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 NAMBLA is the latest front in the gay rights movement. This should really not be surprising. It's a slippery slope... No doubt in 50 years it will be considered a hate crime for a man to attack a pedophile that has "consentually" had sex with his little daughter. All the children will be reading in their school history books about how pedophiles were "oppressed". We can already see this happening with Harvey Milk being celebrated in California public schools. That's completely off-topic, offensive, based on logical fallacies, and in almost every respect incorrect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 No doubt in 50 years it will be considered a hate crime for a man to attack a pedophile that has "consentually" had sex with his little daughter. All the children will be reading in their school history books about how pedophiles were "oppressed". We can already see this happening with Harvey Milk being celebrated in California public schools. I'm not aware of any accusations that Milk was a pedophile. Do you have any evidence, or is this just a baseless attack? And confusion about the distinction between homosexuality and pedophilia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ophiolite Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I think Anders is making the argument that practices once considered reprehensible are now becoming accepted or even celebrated. He argues that just as that is the case for homosexuality so will it be the case for pedophilia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I think Anders is making the argument that practices once considered reprehensible are now becoming accepted or even celebrated. He argues that just as that is the case for homosexuality so will it be the case for pedophilia. I agree that’s what he’s arguing but the premise is flawed. Homosexuality is an act between consensual adults; the argument doesn’t follow in the case for paedophilia, even when it’s consensual the child doesn’t necessarily understand the consequences. Besides which the trend in each case is opposed, homosexuality is gradually becoming more acceptable in mainstream ideologies whereas the opposite seems to be true for paedophilia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypervalent_iodine Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 ! Moderator Note Anders,Staff will not tolerate any more offensive and discriminatory slurs against any group or groups of people. You have been warned about this before and it will stop or you will be facing suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I think Anders is making the argument that practices once considered reprehensible are now becoming accepted or even celebrated. He argues that just as that is the case for homosexuality so will it be the case for pedophilia. OK, though if that's it then it's quite brazen when one tags their own post, admitting that they are engaging in the slippery slope fallacy. Why stop there? One could similarly argue that murder, rape, etc. would be celebrated as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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