Moontanman Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) If no ozone so no atmosphere factualy The gases that be being the vapor specificaly be moving around i understand and though the atmosphere be being the oxigen hydrogen clouds be a very good example that be being a vapor and exectra Suppose about the vaporive aspect for some reason i suppose it be being important Astrology, what we have here is a failure to communicate. I am assuming that English is not your first language but even so it is obvious that you have a mistaken idea of what an atmosphere is. Atmosphere is not synonymous with Earth's atmosphere. You seem to be asserting that if the gases surrounding a planet do not match the ones surrounding the Earth then it has no atmosphere, nothing could be further from reality. I suggest you do a little bit of research on google and find out exactly what an atmosphere is... Edited October 10, 2012 by Moontanman
Astrology Posted October 10, 2012 Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) Astrology, what we have here is a failure to communicate. I am assuming that English is not your first language but even so it is obvious that you have a mistaken idea of what an atmosphere is. Atmosphere is not synonymous with Earth's atmosphere. You seem to be asserting that if the gases surrounding a planet do not match the ones surrounding the Earth then it has no atmosphere, nothing could be further from reality. I suggest you do a little bit of research on google and find out exactly what an atmosphere is... A atmosphere be for life as we know that and so basively that be being correct and i like that If other planets had a atmosphere life would start there too Do you agree Edited October 11, 2012 by Astrology
ACG52 Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 A atmosphere be for life as we know that and so basively that be be correct and i like that If other planets had a atmosphere life would start there too Do you agree No. An atmosphere are the gases surrounding a planet. Whether that atmosphere can support life is irrelevant. 1
Astrology Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 AllRight Still the OzoneLayer contains the atmosphere Suppose about it the atmosphere and everything about it would variably scater into space
Moontanman Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 AllRight Still the OzoneLayer contains the atmosphere Suppose about it the atmosphere and everything about it would variably scater into space No, gravity contains an atmosphere....
Astrology Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 No, gravity contains an atmosphere.... That be irrelevant because it none be strong enough to manage the atmosphereive sustainance only the OzoneLayer can contain it and keep it in the relevant arrange
ACG52 Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 The ozone layer has nothing at all to do with containing the atmosphere. It's gravity that does it. 1
Astrology Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 Yes it does It also contains the atmosphere because the atmosphere shall scater away into space if it shall none obtain that ContainivePrinciple -2
Moontanman Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 Yes it does It also contains the atmosphere because the atmosphere shall scater away into space if it shall none obtain that ContainivePrinciple No astrology, the ozone layers is a layer of quite rarefied gas, it "contains" nothing but is nothing but a side effect of having an atmosphere that contains oxygen and a Sun that gives off UV rays, the UV rays make the ozone, the ozone is not capable of containing anything... but it does keep most of the UV out... Gravity is what holds our atmosphere in place, not a layer of rarefied gas.
Greg H. Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 So, if Mars would move closer to the sun, it could have an atmosphere. It has an atmosphere now. Therefore, in order to gain an atmosphere, Mars must be closer to the Sun. It has an atmosphere right now. In the past Mars had an atmosphere. And it still has one today. Hence, it the past Mars was closer to the sun. Um, no. Today, Mars is further from the Sun, without an atmosphere. How many times do I need to say it? Mars - say it with me now - has an atmosphere. Therefore, Mars is moving outwards from the Sun. Why is it so difficult for you? It's not difficult, just wrong. If no ozone so no atmosphere factualy The gases that be being the vapor specificaly be moving around i understand and though the atmosphere be being the oxigen hydrogen clouds be a very good example that be being a vapor and exectra Suppose about the vaporive aspect for some reason i suppose it be being important Wrong. A atmosphere be for life as we know that and so basively that be being correct and i like that If other planets had a atmosphere life would start there too Do you agree No. Jupiter has an atmosphere, so does Venus, Mars, Neptune, Saturn, and Uranus. The fact that ours supports life is irrelevant, as has already been pointed out. Yes it does It also contains the atmosphere because the atmosphere shall scater away into space if it shall none obtain that ContainivePrinciple The ozone layer does not hold the atmosphere in, it keeps the sun's UV rays from par broiling everything on the surface with UV rays. See there are a couple of things you need to form an ozone layer, and the first one of those is a lot of free (unbound) oxygen molecules floating around. Without that, you don't get ozone forming in the atmosphere. So you see, ozone doesn't cause the atmosphere - the atmosphere causes ozone. 1
Airbrush Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 Mars has not had any liquid water on its' surface for Billions of years. There could be liquid water under the surface of Mars that occasionally breaks thru to the surface. It would freeze almost immediately upon reaching the surface. The best bet for finding evidence for life ever existing on Mars would be by traveling under the surface thru lava tubes. I don't think Curiosity will ever do that.
David Levy Posted October 11, 2012 Author Posted October 11, 2012 (edited) To Greg "How many times do I need to say it? Mars - say it with me now - has an atmosphere". Greg Try to say it slowly with yourself: ---- Mars has no atmosphere which can support a liquid water!!! And now, try to do it faster: ---- It might have in the past. but not any more... Edited October 11, 2012 by David Levy
Astrology Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 (edited) AllRight suppose about this Gravity can not support some quaities in the globe so these gases once again scatter variabley If not for the OzoneLayer so no containment About the MarsWaterAspect Clouds transform into WaterRain and clouds be in the SkyAtmosphere so if no OzoneAtmosphereContainment there is no clouds Thanks Edited October 12, 2012 by Astrology
Moontanman Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 AllRight suppose about this Gravity can not support some quaities in the globe so these gases once again scatter variabley If not for the OzoneLayer so containment No, not true, gravity holds an atmosphere, ozone has nothing to do with it... About the MarsWaterAspectClouds transform into WaterRain and clouds be in the SkyAtmosphere so if no OzoneAtmosphereContainment there is no clouds Thanks Again no.... ozone has nothing to do with this...
Moontanman Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 To Greg "How many times do I need to say it? Mars - say it with me now - has an atmosphere". Greg Try to say it slowly with yourself: ---- Mars has no atmosphere which can support a liquid water!!! And now, try to do it faster: ---- It might have in the past. but not any more... Actually this is not entirely accurate, there are places on Mars that has air pressure high enough for liquid water to exist for short periods of time, the bottom of deep valleys... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_on_Mars Studies have shown that various salts present in the Martian soil could act as a kind of antifreeze—keeping water liquid well below its normal freezing point.[88][242] Some calculations suggest that tiny amounts of liquid water may be present for short periods of time (hours) in some locations.[243][244] Some researchers have calculated that when taking into consideration insolation and pressure factors that liquid water could exist in some areas for about 10% of the Martian year;[245] others estimate that water could be a liquid for only 2% of the year.[246] Either way, that may be enough liquid water to support some forms of hardy organisms. It may not take much liquid water for life; organisms have been found on Earth living on extremely thin layers of unfrozen water in below-freezing locations.[247] Research described in December 2009, showed that liquid water could form in the daytime inside of snow on Mars. As light heats ice, it may be warming up dust grains located inside. These grains would then store heat and form water by melting some of the ice. The process has been already been observed in Antarctica. Enough water may be produced for physical, chemical, and biological processes.[248][249]
Astrology Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 You say no and not explain why I explain why if i say no or yes and if decision Thanks
Greg H. Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 To Greg "How many times do I need to say it? Mars - say it with me now - has an atmosphere". Greg Try to say it slowly with yourself: ---- Mars has no atmosphere which can support a liquid water!!! And now, try to do it faster: ---- It might have in the past. but not any more... I never said it did. What's your point?
MigL Posted October 11, 2012 Posted October 11, 2012 David Levy still cannot understand that the reason the moon is slowly moving away from the Earht is due to the change in angular momentum from the tidal forces, ie the orbital radius is slowly increasing. He then says the same thing is happening to Mars to move it away from the Sun compared to past times. I would think any 'tides' caused on the Sun ( it is gaseous after all ) by the tug of Mars' orbit would be obliterated by that of Jupiter, Saturn and even the Earth, Venus and Mercury which are much closer ( remember the inverse square dependance of gravity ). Tidal forces due to Mars would be negligible. Or maybe like his theory on universal expansion, matter is being created in the center of the sun and forcing everything outward. If you were to take a chunk of the frozen ice cap of Mars and you heated it, would it sublimate like CO2 does or would it liquify. If the latter, then the atmosphere of Mars can support liquid water. Its temperature can't. As for Astrology, I haven't a clue what he's on about.
Astrology Posted October 12, 2012 Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) There none be any ice on mars because it is not cold in space There none be any ice on mars because it is not cold in space YouKnow that the reason there is ice at the south and north poles of the globe is cause the ice be generated from the planets core It be the cores energy that produces the generation the effects the water and so the water freezes and becomes ice Mars does not have any clouds so there is no water Suppose about it Give some time Thanks Edited October 12, 2012 by Astrology
David Levy Posted October 12, 2012 Author Posted October 12, 2012 (edited) Dear Moontanman "Actually this is not entirely accurate, there are places on Mars that has air pressure high enough for liquid water toexist for short periods of time, the bottom of deep valleys"... Let's try to see what we can see… Mars – By Wikipedia: "Landforms visible on Mars strongly suggest that liquid water has at least at times existed on the planet's surface". So, if we can notice this landforms from space, than we can get to the following conclutions: 1. The total quantity of water which is requested to set the landforms must be very significant. 2. The liquid water was there for quite long time in order to set the change. 3. Mars must be in its Habitable Zone to make it happen. Therefore, if you think that "liquid water to exist for short periods of time at the bottom of deep valleys" can make these visible Landforms, than you are living in La La land…. Edited October 12, 2012 by David Levy
Moontanman Posted October 12, 2012 Posted October 12, 2012 Dear Moontanman "Actually this is not entirely accurate, there are places on Mars that has air pressure high enough for liquid water toexist for short periods of time, the bottom of deep valleys"... Let's try to see what we can see… Mars – By Wikipedia: "Landforms visible on Mars strongly suggest that liquid water has at least at times existed on the planet's surface". So, if we can notice this landforms from space, than we can get to the following conclutions: 1. The total quantity of water which is requested to set the landforms must be very significant. 2. The liquid water was there for quite long time in order to set the change. 3. Mars must be in its Habitable Zone to make it happen. Therefore, if you think that "liquid water to exist for short periods of time at the bottom of deep valleys" can make these visible Landforms, than you are living in La La land…. I never suggested that David, please do not put words in my mouth... There none be any ice on mars because it is not cold in space YouKnow that the reason there is ice at the south and north poles of the globe is cause the ice be generated from the planets core It be the cores energy that produces the generation the effects the water and so the water freezes and becomes ice Mars does not have any clouds so there is no water Suppose about it Give some time Thanks Mars does have clouds... Care to try again astrology? http://www.solarviews.com/eng/marscld.htm Although not as pronounced as on Earth, clouds are common features on Mars. The Martian atmosphere has only a trace of water vapor; however, the temperature and pressure is such that the atmosphere is usually close to saturation and produces clouds. Even from Earth based telescopes, clouds have been observed by transient brightening on the surface of Mars. Numerous cloud patterns have been seen from the Marineer and Viking spacecraft and have been classified into various categories (Carr, 1981; French et al. 1981):
imatfaal Posted October 12, 2012 Posted October 12, 2012 ! Moderator Note David Levy & AstrologyCould you both take a bit of time to read the sensible and well-thought out answers you are receiving to your questions. At present it seems that, to a greater or lesser extent, you are both ignoring the answers giving (even when backed up with links), re-asserting your ideas/guesses without elaboration, and deliberately misinterpreting the other members answers.
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