atom smashers

[ydoaPs]

i want to build one. there are plans for a small one @: http://www.unitednuclear.com/accelerator.htm , but they aren't out yet and i suspect they may be somewhat expensive.

 

does anyone know where i can get FREE plans for a particle accelerator?

[swansont]

Maybe you should ask Tim Koeth

[Gilded]

"Maybe you should ask Tim Koeth"

 

Wow. Quite an achievement, that cyclotron. And for only $15 000! Could use one myself.

[ydoaPs]

too bad it didn't tell how to make one.

 

now i want to make a cyclotron too. the unitednuclear was a linear accelerator. i guess i may end up making two if i can find out how to make the tiny cyclotron.

[swansont]

My point about Tim Keoth is that it's something you could theoretically build with some basic physics. Who needs plans?

 

A CRT is a particle accelerator.

[Gilded]

I wonder what they'd say at the NRC if you'd call them and said "I just built a cyclotron from scratch and it's in my backyard. Is that OK?"

[swansont]

I wonder what they'd say at the NRC if you'd call them and said "I just built a cyclotron from scratch and it's in my backyard. Is that OK?"

 

Probably more of a zoning problem than an NRC issue.

 

Anything small enough to be built in your backyard (unless you're using Bill Gates' back yard) won't have enough power to do any serious high-energy reactions.

 

OTOH, I recall a time when I was at TRIUMF that we were making heavy nuclides with a Thorium target (we were making Francium; somebody else was using some other nuclide) and a local lab whose job it is to detect above-ground nuclear test fallout was able to tell.

[Gilded]

"OTOH, I recall a time when I was at TRIUMF that we were making heavy nuclides with a Thorium target (we were making Francium; somebody else was using some other nuclide) and a local lab whose job it is to detect above-ground nuclear test fallout was able to tell."

 

Lol. Btw, how did you make francium with a thorium target?

[YT2095]

A CRT is a particle accelerator.

I don`t normaly even LOOK in these types of threads, nevermind reply in them!

 

but yes, they are indeed just that

 

 

edit: I only popped in because...

[swansont]

Lol. Btw, how did you make francium with a thorium target?

 

You slam a high energy-proton into the Thorium and hope that three additional protons, and some variable number of neutrons, get ejected. And that happens, some fraction of the time.

[Gilded]

"You slam a high energy-proton into the Thorium and hope that three additional protons, and some variable number of neutrons, get ejected. And that happens, some fraction of the time."

 

That seems like a terribly ineffective way to make francium atoms. Ahh well, never understood physicist minds anyway.

[swansont]

"You slam a high energy-proton into the Thorium and hope that three additional protons' date=' and some variable number of neutrons, get ejected. And that happens, some fraction of the time."

 

That seems like a terribly ineffective way to make francium atoms. Ahh well, never understood physicist minds anyway. [/quote']

 

You have a better way, using a proton accelerator? It's not like you can go out and buy this stuff on the street.

 

Stony Brook accelerated ¹⁸O and hit an Au target with their superconducting LINAC. But they got a different spectrum of isotopes (lower mass, IIRC)

[ydoaPs]

how big would one have to be to make antimatter?

[Gilded]

"how big would one have to be to make antimatter?"

 

I hope you're not attempting to make a cyclotron capable of making anti-matter yourself.

 

"You have a better way, using a proton accelerator? It's not like you can go out and buy this stuff on the street."

 

Oops, didn't realize you had to use a proton accelerator.

[swansont]

"You have a better way' date=' using a proton accelerator? It's not like you can go out and buy this stuff on the street."

 

Oops, didn't realize you had to use a proton accelerator. [/quote']

 

You don't have to, but that's what you have at TRIUMF. If you want something else, you have to go to a different accelerator.

[The Nacho]

How much money do you want to spend? You can't build a particle accelerator for free! They cost hundreds of thousands of dollars! Even if you did get the plans for free, you would have to spend a lot of money...

[Crash]

"how big would one have to be to make antimatter?"

 

Your looking of something around the size of CERN, the thing is though you need an anti-matter storage system and they take some considerable planning and money

[coquina]

Check the website for Jefferson Lab - it used to be called "CEBAF" for the "continuous electron beam accelerator facility". Maybe not exactly what you're looking for, but many students work there and perform experiments.

 

http://education.jlab.org/