How can the non-physical exist?

[mansamusa]

hey yall im currently in a dialogue and im wondering if the person is right

 

he says:

 

 

 

On our physical plane of existence we can detect only about 100 octaves of electromagnetic radiation, ranging from radio waves through visible light to x-rays and gamma rays, the electromagnetic spectrum covers an infinite range of frequencies – or at least we have no reason to believe otherwise.

 

What to us is 'empty' space is simply those regions of space containing no grade of matter that is perceptible to our physical senses.

 

 

An important property of electromagnetic energy is that waves of sufficiently different frequencies do not interfere or interact. If physical matter is condensed energy as science now maintains, it seems reasonable to suppose that the infinite spectrum of energy gives rise to infinite grades of matter, and that grades of matter of sufficiently differing densities or rates of vibration can pass through one another without noticeably interacting.

 

In other words, although physical matter is condensed energy, what is energy would be matter for beings on a higher plane than ours, as is suggested by the fact that energy does not exist in a continuous flow but is composed of discrete units or quanta.

 

If that is the case, then it is reasonable to suggest that our physical universe could be just one octave in an infinite spectrum of matter-energy, and be interpenetrated by innumerable other invisible non-physical worlds, both denser and also more aethereal than our own, but beyond our physical range of perception. The concept of worlds within worlds is therefore entirely reasonable if we pursue some of the basic concepts of science to their logical conclusion.

 

Waves by the way, imply motion and there is no motion that is independent of substance whether the substance is physical or aethereal. In other words, waves have to wave in some medium otherwise they are simply abstractions.

 

Space is not 'empty' either, it is constituted by different grades of energy-substance otherwise waves could not be propagated through it.

 

 

 

thoughts

Edited November 10, 2012 by mansamusa

[md65536]

If that is the case, then it is reasonable to suggest that our physical universe could be just one octave in an infinite spectrum of matter-energy, and be interpenetrated by innumerable other invisible non-physical worlds, both denser and also more aethereal than our own, but beyond our physical range of perception. The concept of worlds within worlds is therefore entirely reasonable if we pursue some of the basic concepts of science to their logical conclusion.

 

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Space is not 'empty' either, it is constituted by different grades of energy-substance otherwise waves could not be propagated through it.

 

It's funny how it starts with an ability to reason about the existence of unmeasurable things with no possible evidence, and ends with an inability to reason about a non-existence of such things.

 

It's an interesting idea to contemplate, but without any evidence or physical predictions, it's not reasonable to assume the existence of other worlds, and it goes against the basic concepts of science to do so. Certainly, such ideas may predict actual physical things, such as EM waves of such low energy that we could not detect them, but just supposing that something else could detect them doesn't make it reasonable to assume that such somethings must exist.

 

In the end it becomes like all the other ideas of "things that exist but there is no possible evidence of", such as luminous ether, tiny spherical particles filling all of space, parallel universes, etc. When you get there, any idea becomes "reasonable" if there's no way to falsify it. Light is actually carried by tiny invisible gnomes on jet skis, etc.

 

Edited November 10, 2012 by md65536

[mansamusa]

this subject has given me a headache

 

honestly this is the second time that i have heard fractals mention in reference to said topic

[JohnStu]

Hmm, here is the funny thing. The word existence does not actually mean existence. The reason for that is if existence really does mean existence then if humans never came to Earth then would all of this be called existence.