Gravitation

[hopeter]

Hi

 

 

I have an idea\ question about what could cause gravitation and i need someone to tell me that its not a working idea

 

 

The first thing i did was to try to simulate the way matter bends space by spreading a sheet so its straight and there is nothing under it (weights on the sides) and then placing a ball in the middle.

 

The sheet is the space, the ball is the matter and becouse im doing this with gravitation present the ball pulls the sheet down, looks like when matter bends space.

 

So how can i make the ball bend the sheet without gravitation?

i could use its polar opposite. antimatter ball?

 

a space filled with antimatter next to a space filled with matter could cause the "matters" to pull towards each other and bend the space around them? If matter is attracted to anti matter.

 

Here is a drawing:

Matter is marked by X

Anti matter is marked by -X

The space X inhibits is marked by Y

The space -X inhibits is marked by Z

And i placed a third space between the two that is marked by W. The third space is neccessery becouse without that the Y and Z spaces would touch and then there would be no bending of space. only a pulling force.

() is the force between matters.

 

X X

-------------------- Y

() () W

-------------------- Z

-X -X

[timo]

I think "how can I bend a sheet without using gravitation" and "should I use an antimatter ball" may qualify for the biggest discrepancy between complexity of a task and complexity of a proposed solution I have ever seen. As a side remark, and since that seems to be your question to some extend, anti-matter behaves exactly like matter with respect to gravity.

[hopeter]

maybe anti matter is not the right word to use. what i mean is that the bending of space and gravitation could be the byproduct of the matter in our space (x) and its attraction to it opposite matter in an another space (-x)

 

imagine it like 2 magnets. positive and negative pulling together but they cant touch so they bend the space.

does this idea clashes in any ways with known facts?

[ACG52]

does this idea clashes in any ways with known facts?

 

Yes. Pretty much every known fact.

[ajb]

The trouble is that you are taking a simple analogy too seriously. The sheet and ball set-up is meant to give you a feeling for what general relativity says, but you should not take it to accurately describe the theory.

 

However, analogies are analogies and at some point always fail to capture the full picture of what is going on. More than that, taking analogies too seriously can lead to misunderstandings.

 

You can read more of my thought on this on my blog.

[DimaMazin]

The trouble is that you are taking a simple analogy too seriously. The sheet and ball set-up is meant to give you a feeling for what general relativity says, but you should not take it to accurately describe the theory.

 

 

 

You can read more of my thought on this on my blog.

Scientists should be explaining by scientific language.Volumetric measurement has three measurements. Time is the fourth measurement.Space-time is the fifth measurement.

[ajb]

Scientists should be explaining by scientific language.

 

 

The trouble is that a lot of the language is unfamiliar to people not working in science and can refer to very technical things that only people working in specific areas of science will understand. Generally interested people are not stupid, but they are ignorant. I include myself here as I am always amazed by how little I actually know.

[DimaMazin]

The trouble is that a lot of the language is unfamiliar to people not working in science and can refer to very technical things that only people working in specific areas of science will understand. Generally interested people are not stupid, but they are ignorant. I include myself here as I am always amazed by how little I actually know.

Let's consider military analogy. Not clear laws are rebelling legions in scientific empire. The 'generally interested people' are not won by such empire.

[timo]

I don't understand that legion-empire thing. But it's rather funny that apparently you are trying to argue against analogies by using an analogy.