rocket propellent

[r1dermon]

ok, so im going to be making some rocket propellent. it will consist of ammonium perchlorate, aluminum powder, HTPB, isonate, DOA and HX878. my question is. i want to make a green flame propellent, and i want it have almost the same ISP as the above propellent. now, what should i use to make i green? wont barrium nitrate slash the ISP?

[budullewraagh]

use barium sulfate; it won't react with anything there but will give yoru green colour

[Gilded]

"use barium sulfate; it won't react with anything there but will give yoru green colour"

 

Seconded. Just don't use anything like barium chlorate that will indeed give you a nice green flame, but will probably cause premature detonation of your propellant mix.

[budullewraagh]

chlorates are never good for such mixtures. use perchlorates instead

[Gilded]

"chlorates are never good for such mixtures. use perchlorates instead"

 

Yeah, if you have to choose between the two. Metal chlorates are of course very unstable, but perchlorates aren't too stable either.

[budullewraagh]

actually, ethyl perchlorate for example is absurdly unstable, as all organic chlorates/perchlorates are. perchlorates aren't all that stable but they are significantly more so than chlorates and more effective than nitrates

[r1dermon]

hmmm, barium sulfate....any ideas on proportions?

[Gilded]

"hmmm, barium sulfate....any ideas on proportions?"

 

I'm not quite sure, but I'd go with a 0,5%-1% of overall fuel weight first to see what happens. )

[budullewraagh]

yeah, considering it isnt the propellant itself, just a little is needed

[YT2095]

since a large majority of flames are Yellow(ish) in color, perhaps a Blue (copper salt) would give a better green when mixed?

 

just a though.

[budullewraagh]

cuprous salts work i suppose, although barium works better from what i have heard. nonetheless, cuprous salts are less expensive and more readily obtainable

[YT2095]

Barium salts are often used as Brightners in compositions as opposed to the green they CAN exibit.

 

a Blue would produce a better Green in the instance where a Chlorine donor isn`t present

[r1dermon]

so say i add some table salt, and a copper compound in the same proportions, you think that would give a better green flame? i'll try both, i've already had some barium ordered. what should i use for the copper salt?

[budullewraagh]

eh...dont add table salt. it produces a strong yellow that really eliminates all the other colours.

 

you have barium ordered??????? you mean a salt of barium i hope

[Gilded]

"you have barium ordered??????? you mean a salt of barium i hope"

 

What's wrong with pure barium, it can be easily stored under mineral oil. Although in this case, you'd probably prefer a barium salt instead of pure barium metal. )

[budullewraagh]

what's wrong is that it's like $100 for a few grams. not exactly pocket change for a colour effect

[jdurg]

Ummm............ I got my 20-25 gram sample of barium metal for only about 30 bucks. If you paid $100 for a few grams, you were SEVERELY ripped off.

[budullewraagh]

i actually don't have barium but ive seen it that expensive. props to you for getting it so cheap

[jdurg]

i actually don't have barium but ive seen it that expensive. props to you for getting it so cheap

 

 

Here ya go. Now you can get some of it.

[Gilded]

Metallium Inc. owns. Bought my rare earth collection from them, only $119

[r1dermon]

nonono, barium nitrate. although. i wouldnt mind an ampoule of the pure stuff.

[Gilded]

"nonono, barium nitrate."

 

UH-OH. Are you aware that barium nitrate is a) very reactive b) very poisonous (lethal dose ranges from 1 to 15 grams!) c) a very good oxidizer? Go with a sulphate or another relatively safe salt, the nitrate is a HUGE safety risk if mixed with your propellant!

[r1dermon]

what if i use IT in place of amonium perchlorate? hmm...maybe some bright green flash compositions will become of this barium nitrate. where do i get barium sulfate? my supplier doesnt carry it. and they carry a lot of stuff.

[budullewraagh]

it wouldnt work as well. perchlorates are definitely the best for the job.

 

edit: well there are perxenates.....but we wont talk about them

[Gilded]

I'd imagine you could use carbonate instead of the sulfate?

 

Edit:

"well there are perxenates.....but we wont talk about them"

 

Yeah, they're rather unpractical.