gravitational-aether Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) First off the Michelson and Morley experiment, if there is an aether and light is already traveling on it then why would putting light in a different medium be a viable experiment. Also if there is an Aether, it doesnt mean light has to have it to travel. I'm sure when you slap a wall the energy from your slap still travels as if you slapped a body of water. The water just shows you the disturbance infront of your slaps energy. Right? I'm not saying there is an aether, I just want to brainstorm and talk about it. The Michelson-Morley experiment looked for an absolutely stationary space the Earth moved through. The aether is not an absolutely stationary space. Aether is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it. A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and the associated wave in the aether passes through both. In a double slit experiment it is the aether which waves. Edited December 12, 2012 by gravitational-aether Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaynos Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 ! Moderator Note Post split from another thread. Please do not post your own ideas in others threads. On the content. The mm experiment would detect any aether which was moving relative to the earth. It had previously been shown that the earth coold not be at rest with any aether. Do you have any mathematically derived numerical predictions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitational-aether Posted December 12, 2012 Author Share Posted December 12, 2012 ! Moderator Note Post split from another thread. Please do not post your own ideas in others threads. On the content. The mm experiment would detect any aether which was moving relative to the earth. It had previously been shown that the earth coold not be at rest with any aether. Do you have any mathematically derived numerical predictions? What is referred to as the curvature of spacetime is the state of displacement of the aether. Since the geometrical representation of gravity as the curvature of spacetime physically exists in nature as the state of displacement of the aether the mathematics of general relativity apply. The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether. The Milky Way's halo is what is referred to as the curvature of spacetime. Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity. The best article I have found is the one describing the 'back reaction' of the "fluidic" nature of space itself. An Extended Dynamical Equation of Motion, Phase Dependency and Inertial Backreaction' http://arxiv.org/abs/1208.3458 "We hypothesize that space itself resists such surges according to a kind of induction law (related to inertia); additionally, we provide further evidence of the “fluidic” nature of space itself." The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid, a supersolid, which is described in the article as the 'fluidic' nature of space itself. The 'back-reaction' described in the article is the displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the matter. The following article describes the aether as an incompressible fluid resulting in what the article refers to as gravitational aether caused by pressure (or vorticity). 'Phenomenology of Gravitational Aether as a solution to the Old Cosmological Constant Problem' http://arxiv.org/abs/1106.3955 "One proposal to address this puzzle at the semi-classical level is to decouple quantum vacuum from space-time geometry via a modification of gravity that includes an incompressible fluid, known as Gravitational Aether. In this paper, we discuss classical predictions of this theory along with its compatibility with cosmological and experimental tests of gravity. We argue that deviations from General Relativity (GR) in this theory are sourced by pressure or vorticity." The following article describes gravity as a pressure exerted by aether toward matter. 'The aether-modified gravity and the G ̈del metric' http://arxiv.org/pdf/1109.5654v2 "As for the pressure, it is equal to p = 53−αg,6a2 so, it is positive if αg < 3 which is the weaker condition than the previous one. One notes that the results corresponding to the usual gravity are easily recovered. Also, it is easy to see that the interval αg < 15 corresponds to the usual matter." The following article describes a gravitating vacuum where aether is the quantum vacuum of the 21-st century. 'From Analogue Models to Gravitating Vacuum' http://arxiv.org/pdf/1111.1155 "The aether of the 21-st century is the quantum vacuum, which is a new form of matter. This is the real substance" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaynos Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 I can't find any reference to double slit experiments there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitational-aether Posted December 12, 2012 Author Share Posted December 12, 2012 'Quantum mechanics rule 'bent' in classic experiment'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13626587'For his part, Professor Steinberg believes that the result reduces a limitation not on quantum physics but on physicists themselves. "I feel like we're starting to pull back a veil on what nature really is," he said. "The trouble with quantum mechanics is that while we've learned to calculate the outcomes of all sorts of experiments, we've lost much of our ability to describe what is really happening in any natural language. I think that this has really hampered our ability to make progress, to come up with new ideas and see intuitively how new systems ought to behave."'http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=new-double-slit-experiment-skirts-uncertainty-principle"Intriguingly, the trajectories closely match those predicted by an unconventional interpretation of quantum mechanics known as pilot-wave theory, in which each particle has a well-defined trajectory that takes it through one slit while the associated wave passes through both slits."A particle physically displaces the aether. A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a double slit experiment the particle enters and exits a single slit. It is the associated aether displacement wave which enters and exits both slits. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Strongly detecting the particle turns the associated aether wave into chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop and continues on the path it is traveling.What waves in a double slit experiment is the aether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaynos Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Ok, neither of those links mention aether. Where are you making that leap? The pilot wave theory I'm not familiar with, do you have a source that explains its derivation and predictions? Preferably a peer reviewed source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitational-aether Posted December 12, 2012 Author Share Posted December 12, 2012 de Broglie wave mechanics is the precursor to pilot-wave theory. This is the best article I have found which describes what waves as a "hidden medium". 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf“When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the physical reality of waves and particles.”“any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous “energetic contact” with a hidden medium”The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The “energetic contact” is the state of displacement of the aether.A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path which takes it through one slit. The associated wave in the aether passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves are disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop and it no longer creates an interference pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMessenger Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Interesting find. They have a normal stress energy tensor for matter and also one for the Gravitational Aether. Seems to complicate the theory (and provide no path for answering dark energy) but I like their boldness. The following article describes the aether as an incompressible fluid resulting in what the article refers to as gravitational aether caused by pressure (or vorticity).'Phenomenology of Gravitational Aether as a solution to the Old Cosmological Constant Problem'http://arxiv.org/abs/1106.3955"One proposal to address this puzzle at the semi-classical level is to decouple quantum vacuum from space-time geometry via a modification of gravity that includes an incompressible fluid, known as Gravitational Aether. In this paper, we discuss classical predictions of this theory along with its compatibility with cosmological and experimental tests of gravity. We argue that deviations from General Relativity (GR) in this theory are sourced by pressure or vorticity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitational-aether Posted December 12, 2012 Author Share Posted December 12, 2012 Interesting find. They have a normal stress energy tensor for matter and also one for the Gravitational Aether. Seems to complicate the theory (and provide no path for answering dark energy) but I like their boldness. 'Was the universe born spinning?' http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/46688 "The universe was born spinning and continues to do so around a preferred axis" The Universe spins around a preferred axis because the Universe is, or the local Universe we exist in is in, a jet; a larger version of a black hole polar jet. 'Mysterious Cosmic 'Dark Flow' Tracked Deeper into Universe' http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/releases/2010/10-023.html "The clusters appear to be moving along a line extending from our solar system toward Centaurus/Hydra, but the direction of this motion is less certain. Evidence indicates that the clusters are headed outward along this path, away from Earth, but the team cannot yet rule out the opposite flow. "We detect motion along this axis, but right now our data cannot state as strongly as we'd like whether the clusters are coming or going," Kashlinsky said." The clusters are headed along this path because the Universe is, or the local Universe we exist in is in, a jet. The following is an image analogous of the Universal jet. http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html The reason for the 'expansion' of the universe is the continual emission of aether into the Universal jet. Three dimensional space associated with the Universe itself is not expanding. What we see in our telescopes is the matter associated with the Universe moving outward and away from the Universal jet emission point. In the image above, '1st Stars' is where aether condenses into matter. Dark energy is aether emitted into the Universal jet. It's not the Big Bang; it's the Big Ongoing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitational-aether Posted December 13, 2012 Author Share Posted December 13, 2012 The mm experiment would detect any aether which was moving relative to the earth. It had previously been shown that the earth coold not be at rest with any aether. The Michelson-Morley experiment looked for an absolutely stationary space the Earth moves through. The aether is not an absolutely stationary space. Aether is displaced by particles of matter. Watch the following video starting at 0:45 to see a visual representation of the state of the aether. What is referred to as a twist in spacetime is the state of displacement of the aether. What is referred to as frame-dragging is the state of displacement of the aether. The analogy is putting a mesh bag full of marbles into a supersolid and spinning the bag of marbles. If you were unable to determine if the superfluid consists of particles you would still be able to detect the state of displacement of the supersolid. The supersolid connected to and neighboring the mesh bag of marbles is in the same state throughout the rotation of the bag in the supersolid. The aether connected to and neighboring the Earth is in the same state, or almost the same state, throughout the Earth's rotation about its axis and orbit of the Sun. The state of which as determined by its connections with the Earth and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the aether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitational-aether Posted December 14, 2012 Author Share Posted December 14, 2012 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect#Vacuum_energy"a "field" in physics may be envisioned as if space were filled with interconnected vibrating balls and springs, and the strength of the field can be visualized as the displacement of a ball from its rest position"A 'field' in physics is space filled with aether and the strength of the field is the displacement of the aether from its rest position.Each of the plates in the Casimir effect displace the aether. The displaced aether which exists between the plates is pushing back toward each of the plates which causes the aether displaced by each of the plates which exists between the plates to offset. This aether is more at rest than the aether which is displaced by the plates which encompasses the plates. The reduced force associated with the aether which exists between the plates along with the displaced aether which encompasses the plates which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the plates causes the plates to be forced together.What occurs physically in nature in the Casimir effect is the same phenomenon as gravity.There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter. Aether has mass and physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter.Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitational-aether Posted December 15, 2012 Author Share Posted December 15, 2012 'NASA's Voyager Hits New Region at Solar System Edge'http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/dec/HQ_11-402_AGU_Voyager.html"Voyager is showing that what is outside is pushing back. ... Like cars piling up at a clogged freeway off-ramp, the increased intensity of the magnetic field shows that inward pressure from interstellar space is compacting it."It is not the particles of matter which exist in quantities less than in any vacuum artifically created on Earth which are pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system.It is the aether, which the particles of matter exist in, which is the interstellar medium. It is the aether which is displaced by the matter the solar system consists of which is pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward the solar system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitational-aether Posted December 16, 2012 Author Share Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) I understand a moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. I understand in a double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and the associated wave in the aether passes through both. Can someone explain the accepted mainstream explanation of what occurs physically in nature in a double slit experiment so I can be better off? Edited December 16, 2012 by gravitational-aether Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitational-aether Posted December 16, 2012 Author Share Posted December 16, 2012 I understand a moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. I understand in a double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and the associated wave in the aether passes through both. Can someone explain the accepted mainstream explanation of what occurs physically in nature in a double slit experiment so I can be better off? As I thought. You can't. How is it you think you know so much and mainstream physics is so correct when you can't explain something as simple as what occurs physically in nature in a double slit experiment? 'Quantum mechanics rule 'bent' in classic experiment' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13626587 'For his part, Professor Steinberg believes that the result reduces a limitation not on quantum physics but on physicists themselves. "I feel like we're starting to pull back a veil on what nature really is," he said. "The trouble with quantum mechanics is that while we've learned to calculate the outcomes of all sorts of experiments, we've lost much of our ability to describe what is really happening in any natural language. I think that this has really hampered our ability to make progress, to come up with new ideas and see intuitively how new systems ought to behave."' http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=new-double-slit-experiment-skirts-uncertainty-principle "Intriguingly, the trajectories closely match those predicted by an unconventional interpretation of quantum mechanics known as pilot-wave theory, in which each particle has a well-defined trajectory that takes it through one slit while the associated wave passes through both slits." A particle physically displaces the aether. A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a double slit experiment the particle enters and exits a single slit. It is the associated aether displacement wave which enters and exits both slits. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Strongly detecting the particle turns the associated aether wave into chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop and continues on the path it is traveling. That's what occurs physically in nature in a double slit experiment regardless of how much of a state of denial you exist in. What waves in a double slit experiment is the aether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaynos Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Read quantum mechanics by Ray. It covers all the maths from qm to explain the two slit experiment. That is the physics understanding, many worlds etc are interpretations not the physical understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitational-aether Posted December 16, 2012 Author Share Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) Read quantum mechanics by Ray. It covers all the maths from qm to explain the two slit experiment. That is the physics understanding, many worlds etc are interpretations not the physical understanding. The maths is not the physical explanation of what occurs physically in nature in a double slit experiment. The following is a correct physical explanation of what occurs physically in nature in a double slit experiment. A particle physically displaces the aether. A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a double slit experiment the particle enters and exits a single slit. It is the associated wave in the aether which enters and exits both slits. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Strongly detecting the particle turns the associated aether wave into chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop and continues on the path it is traveling. Edited December 16, 2012 by gravitational-aether Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaynos Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I'm sorry but your understanding of what constitutes modern physics is flawed. Maths is its language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitational-aether Posted December 16, 2012 Author Share Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) I'm sorry but your understanding of what constitutes modern physics is flawed. Maths is its language. I'm sorry but your understanding of what physical means is flawed. The following is a correct physical explanation of what occurs physically in nature in a double slit experiment. A particle physically displaces the aether. A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a double slit experiment the particle enters and exits a single slit. It is the associated wave in the aether which enters and exits both slits. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Strongly detecting the particle turns the associated aether wave into chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop and continues on the path it is traveling. In a double slit experiment it is the aether which physically waves. Maths do not physically exist. Maths do not physically wave. What physically waves in a double slit experiment? Maths? Of course not. The aether physically waves. Edited December 16, 2012 by gravitational-aether -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaynos Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 The maths explains what is observed. Words cannot do so accurately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitational-aether Posted December 16, 2012 Author Share Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) The maths explains what is observed. Words cannot do so accurately. The maths define what is physically probable of being observed. The maths define what is physically possible of being observed. The maths do not describe what is occurring physically in nature. The maths do not describe what is occurring physically in nature in a double slit experiment. Do maths physically wave? Do maths physically exists? Of course not. The aether physically exists. The aether physically waves. In a double slit experiment it is the aether which waves. Edited December 16, 2012 by gravitational-aether Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaynos Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 The maths describes it accurately. That is why we use maths. Words are much more pliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitational-aether Posted December 16, 2012 Author Share Posted December 16, 2012 The maths describes it accurately. That is why we use maths. Words are much more pliable. Do maths wave? Do maths physically exist? In a double slit experiment the aether physically waves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaynos Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 The maths describes the phenomena. You can say what you like physics is not going to change the way it works because you don't like it/understand why it works like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitational-aether Posted December 16, 2012 Author Share Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) The maths describes the phenomena. You can say what you like physics is not going to change the way it works because you don't like it/understand why it works like that. The maths do not describe the physical phenomena. The maths to do describe what occurs physically in nature. You can say what you like about physics but the fact you can not differentiate between the maths and what actually occurs physically in nature in a double slit experiment is evidence physics is not working. What physically waves in a double slit experiment? Edited December 16, 2012 by gravitational-aether Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaynos Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 The maths do not describe the physical phenomena. The maths to do describe what occurs physically in nature. You can say what you like about physics but the fact you can not differentiate between the maths and what actually occurs physically in nature in a double slit experiment is evidence physics is not working. What physically waves in a double slit experiment? Please read a text o the subject, I suggested one above. There isn't the time nor the space on a internet forum to explain all of the intricacies of quantum mechanics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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