SomethingToPonder Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 (edited) I Noticed this article when it was first published probably a lot like many of you On the site. It states that warp speed may well be not just possible but practical in our lifetime , also that the paper itself was written 10+ years ago, and was just not possible at the time, but Now due to technological advances it may well be possible. One of the most interesting things is it is still possible while not breaking the laws of physics and even parts of the theory of relativity. . Just google - when will warp speed be possible, you'l notice that all the press releases were over the same 2 days. heres a few links to get you started. http://www.complex.com/tech/2012/09/nasa-scientists-say-warp-speed-may-be-possiblehttp://techland.time.com/2012/09/19/nasa-actually-working-on-faster-than-light-warp-drive/http://gizmodo.com/5942634/nasa-starts-development-of-real-life-star-trek-warp-drivethere are many other stories and leads out there on the subject, But if this is true, Does everyone not agree that This is what we need to be investing money into. Edited January 9, 2013 by SomethingToPonder
dimreepr Posted January 9, 2013 Posted January 9, 2013 (edited) This has been discussed on this forum before. The maths says it’s possible but it does seem unlikely, for me at least. “Alcubierre says that, “just as happens with wormholes,” you’d need “exotic matter” (matter with “strange properties”) to distort space-time. And the amount of energy necessary to power that would be on par with the mass-energy of the planet Jupiter.” "The Eagleworks team has discovered that the energy requirements are much lower than previously thought. If they optimize the warp bubble thickness and "oscillate its intensity to reduce the stiffness of space time," they would be able to reduce the amount of fuel to manageable amount: instead of a Jupiter-sized ball of exotic matter, you will only need 500 kilograms to "send a 10-meter bubble (32.8 feet) at an effective velocity of 10c." Edited January 9, 2013 by dimreepr
SomethingToPonder Posted January 10, 2013 Author Posted January 10, 2013 This has been discussed on this forum before. The maths says it’s possible but it does seem unlikely, for me at least. “Alcubierre says that, “just as happens with wormholes,” you’d need “exotic matter” (matter with “strange properties”) to distort space-time. And the amount of energy necessary to power that would be on par with the mass-energy of the planet Jupiter.” "The Eagleworks team has discovered that the energy requirements are much lower than previously thought. If they optimize the warp bubble thickness and "oscillate its intensity to reduce the stiffness of space time," they would be able to reduce the amount of fuel to manageable amount: instead of a Jupiter-sized ball of exotic matter, you will only need 500 kilograms to "send a 10-meter bubble (32.8 feet) at an effective velocity of 10c." Sorry, I didn't realise it was a multiple posting and someone had already started a thread the same, wont happen again. I think this is a stepping stone to warp speed and that it is genuinely possible. When the pc or mac was first invented it wasn't the same as it is now, It was a generation behind. if we can get even the most basic of drives that didn't work, we could advance it once we have the simplest idea. That's what the human race is all about. here's hoping ! 1
dimreepr Posted January 10, 2013 Posted January 10, 2013 Don’t worry my friend, I didn’t mean it as a criticism, just further reading and possibly why replies would be less forthcoming. I sincerely hope your right; my doubts however, are fuelled by the seeming need for exotic matter.
SomethingToPonder Posted January 10, 2013 Author Posted January 10, 2013 Ahh i see, Yes the need for the exotic matter seems to be the thing that we would struggle with most, But as i said if you had told Thomas Edison when he invented the first electric light bulb that you could then advance electricity into televisions mobile phones and thousands of other items, he would have had no clue.we just need a starting point, From there we can advance anything we create.
Farroc Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 Gene Roddenberry was a friggin genuis. And this is just the first step. I have no doubt that eventually, holodecks and teleportation and replicators will be a reality as well. Absolutly no doubt whatsoever.
NATERGY Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 Warp speed will consider going the C or The speed of light, But Einsteins Theory of relativity proves that nothing can reach the speed of light so hitting warp speed wouldn't be practical, But if someone proves Einsteins theory of relativity Wrong then we could probably go warp speed or even faster!
Moontanman Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 Warp speed will consider going the C or The speed of light, But Einsteins Theory of relativity proves that nothing can reach the speed of light so hitting warp speed wouldn't be practical, But if someone proves Einsteins theory of relativity Wrong then we could probably go warp speed or even faster! That's not entirely accurate, if the correct exotic energy is discovered warp speed is possible, it does not violate relativity but it does take lots of negative energy.
SomethingToPonder Posted January 21, 2013 Author Posted January 21, 2013 Warp speed will consider going the C or The speed of light, But Einsteins Theory of relativity proves that nothing can reach the speed of light so hitting warp speed wouldn't be practical, But if someone proves Einsteins theory of relativity Wrong then we could probably go warp speed or even faster! There are parts of Einstein's theory of relativity that have been dis proven. And aside from the exotic matter, there is a theory i have posted about in a different topic, which asks if it would be possible that instead of propelling crafts through space at a certain speed, We should be moving space around the craft technically. I know it sounds crazy right? Move space around the craft, I certainly cant do the mathematics required to show you what i mean, But some simple internet searches on warp speed and you'l find the ideas.
ACG52 Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 There are parts of Einstein's theory of relativity that have been dis proven Incorrect. Relativity has been confirmed to an extremely high degree of accuracy. All of it.
Moontanman Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 I think it interesting that the amount of energy necessary has gone from the mass of Jupiter to the energy out put of the US in one year... of course it is still exotic energy...
ydoaPs Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 I think it interesting that the amount of energy necessary has gone from the mass of Jupiter to the energy out put of the US in one year... of course it is still exotic energy... And there's still the problem of irradiating the crew and the inherent instability.
Moontanman Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 I think the video says they have solved the instability problems but the radiation would be a bit of a bummer. This drive would be good for sub light travel, it would pretty much open up the solar system and put the nearest stars within relatively reasonable time frames...
JohnCli Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 Space is continually moving and it's really fast. The only thing why we don't feel that it's moving is because of gravity. Given the right calculations and a magical button that says "Stop Gravity" we can go to planets/systems that our forefathers only imagined of going to. Warp speed and Warp Travel can also be possible but without internal gravity inside that vessel then everyone in it will die just like how pilots pass out when their air crafts take tight turns increasing there speed and pushing your blood down to your feet in short, warp speed w/out internal gravity = exploded brain (Figure of speech) but warp speed with internal gravity = awesome cruising
rigney Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 I think the video says they have solved the instability problems but the radiation would be a bit of a bummer. This drive would be good for sub light travel, it would pretty much open up the solar system and put the nearest stars within relatively reasonable time frames... And to think! I used the phrase "Instantaneous Transcendental Teleportation" a couple years back, applying it to the series, Star Trek, for which you gave me a hefty portion of crow to eat. To me, "warp speed" is as nonsensical as conveying the notion that ITT is an answer. Even adding the ancient myth of Icarus, to the fifty+ years of our latest rocket age, we're still skating on iron wheeled roller skates. Since neither of these programs wii ever likely come to fruition, we might as well spend a few trillion bucks more on "pipe dreams" while the earth is settling itself into hell. Thought this might be of interest while looking at warp speed. http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/einsteinlight/jw/module4_time_dilation.htm
Moontanman Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 And to think! I used the phrase "Instantaneous Transcendental Teleportation" a couple years back, applying it to the series, Star Trek, for which you gave me a hefty portion of crow to eat. To me, "warp speed" is as nonsensical as conveying the notion that ITT is an answer. Even adding the ancient myth of Icarus, to the fifty+ years of our latest rocket age, we're still skating on iron wheeled roller skates. Since neither of these programs wii ever likely come to fruition, we might as well spend a few trillion bucks more on "pipe dreams" while the earth is settling itself into hell. Thought this might be of interest while looking at warp speed. http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/einsteinlight/jw/module4_time_dilation.htm Hmmm, what if electricity had been thought of that way, nothing will ever come of it, it takes far too much energy for it be useful... your link doesn't work btw...
rigney Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) Hmmm, what if electricity had been thought of that way, nothing will ever come of it, it takes far too much energy for it be useful... your link doesn't work btw... Electricity is a fact with literally millions of applications and increasing daily. Warp speed, if there is such a thing, is still in its infancy. I hope someday it and ITT will be possible. Edited January 22, 2013 by rigney
Moontanman Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 You miss my point completely and what is ITT?
rigney Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 You miss my point completely and what is ITT? I really saw no point.that made sense.
Moontanman Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 (edited) I really saw no point.that made sense. My point is that no one could have predicted our extensive technological advances from the mineral magnetite. We put men on the moon with nothing more than the epiphany of "that odd stone picks up iron, I wonder why". Sometimes even tiny things can turn out to be vastly important, you indicated this avenue of inquiry was worthless, you cannot know that... Edited January 22, 2013 by Moontanman
rigney Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) My point is that no one could have predicted our extensive technological advances from the mineral magnetite. Sometimes even tiny things can turn out to be vastly important, you indicated this avenue of inquiry was worthless, you cannot know that... As I previously stated, we've been into modern rocketry science since Von Braun first built them during WWII, with little to show for it monetary wise. Think of what might need to be spend on just the idea that this pipe dream has a remote chance of working? I'm not saying this theoritical physicist Kaku is "full of it", but it sure sounds like a bunch of hyperbole to me. http://curiosity.discovery.com/question/warp-speed Edited January 23, 2013 by rigney
Moontanman Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 As I previously stated, we've been into modern rocketry since Von Brauns rockets of WWII, with little to show for it monetary wise. Think of what might be spend on just the idea this pipe dream has a remote chance of working?' http://curiosity.discovery.com/question/warp-speed Considering how much monetary return there has been on the space program and how big a part of our modern society is based in waste of time and money called rocketry I can see your point... 1
rigney Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) Considering how much monetary return there has been on the space program and how big a part of our modern society is based in waste of time and money called rocketry I can see your point... I'm not for a moment saying we should get out of the space program entirely. But, at this point we have amassed a tremendous amout of knowledge that can be built on by science, leading us into the future. Thing is, we can't be throwing mega-bucks into the well again. As much as green energy is distasteful to me because of the way it has been handled thus far, I would rather we push that game plan to its limit trying to help this planet, rather than looking for aliens or a new home???? Edited January 23, 2013 by rigney
Moontanman Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Rigney, are you aware of just how little money is being spent on the space program compared to the GNP? Compared to the military budget? BTW, this is what made your statement nonsensical "Instantaneous Transcendental Teleportation" what does transcendental mean?
rigney Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) Rigney, are you aware of just how little money is being spent on the space program compared to the GNP? Compared to the military budget? BTW, this is what made your statement nonsensical "Instantaneous Transcendental Teleportation" what does transcendental mean? I know Moon, and shortly there will be even less money available for space science. And our GNP! Got to keep big government fattened up and growing, you know. And the ITT thing, you're pulling my leg; right? You do believe in string theory, don't you? Edited January 23, 2013 by rigney
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