Semjase Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 Manipulating Euler's equation I got this equation (-1)^(1/pi)*e^i=1^(1/pi) To the best of my knowledge this equation is correct. If it is, why would Google calculator give a complex value for for the left side of the equation when the actual value should be 1.
Semjase Posted February 11, 2013 Author Posted February 11, 2013 e^i isn't real but the right side of the equation has to be. Is Euler's formula wrong? Or could it be a problem with i mathematics?
swansont Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 e^i isn't real but the right side of the equation has to be. Then how can you claim the equation is correct? The left side is complex. Is Euler's formula wrong? Or could it be a problem with i mathematics? Option 3
Semjase Posted February 11, 2013 Author Posted February 11, 2013 I can't make that claim, I made a false assumption that it should be correct when breaking no algebraic rules deriving the equation. This is a significant problem mathematics.
Semjase Posted February 11, 2013 Author Posted February 11, 2013 I derived the equation as follows assuming e^(i*pi)=-1 (-1)*e^(i*pi)=1 ((-1)*e^(i*pi))^(1/pi)=1^(1/pi) which gives (-1)^(1/pi)*e^i=1
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 What you've shown is that the identity [math](a b)^x = a^x b^x[/math] does not hold when a and b have complex values. It also does not hold when they have negative values; for instance, [math]1 = 1^{1/2} = (-1 \times -1)^{1/2} = (-1)^{1/2} (-1)^{1/2} = i \times i = -1[/math] which is clearly false. This is because exponentiation of a complex number is requires a choice of branch cut, since it is defined as [math]w^z = \exp(z \log w)[/math], and the logarithm of a complex number is a multi-valued function. (Similarly, the property fails for negative bases because the ordinary real definition of the logarithm doesn't extend to negative numbers.) In short: the rules of math are just fine. You just broke one.
Semjase Posted February 11, 2013 Author Posted February 11, 2013 (edited) I agree but since a and b are both real a is negative and b is positive maybe you could show me an example under these conditions where (a*b)^x is not equal to a^x*b^x to settle any doubt in me for good. Edited February 11, 2013 by Semjase
John Cuthber Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 There isn't any doubt. You proved it yourself. Your way led to a contradiction.
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 I agree but since a and b are both real a is negative and b is positive maybe you could show me an example under these conditions where (a*b)^x is not equal to a^x*b^x to settle any doubt in me for good. No, in your case you have both a and b negative, since [math]e^{i \pi} = -1[/math]. So my example applies.
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