jasoncurious Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 Convert thefollowing differential equation into separable form by using suitable substitution: yy’=x3+(y2/x) When I tryto prove it’s being homogeneous or not, I found that yy’=x3+ y’= (lx)4+(ly)2/ (lx)(ly) Factorise it: (l^2x2)+(y^2) / xy Is thisconsidered homogeneous? the l stands for lambda
Nehushtan Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) The differential equation is clearly not homogeneous and I don’t see what homogeneity has got to do with the solution.Hint: Write the equation as [latex]2yy'-\frac{2}xy^2=2x^3[/latex] and find an integrating factor for the left-hand side. This will tell you exactly what substitution you need to use. Edited March 14, 2013 by Nehushtan
jasoncurious Posted March 15, 2013 Author Posted March 15, 2013 Thank you, I think I was caught in the thought that "only homogeneous differential equations can be solved".
Nehushtan Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 (edited) You’re welcome. Solving differential equations often requires thinking outside the box. If a particular equation does not fit into any classifed category, it doesn’t mean it can’t be solved – you may need to try some other method. Edited March 15, 2013 by Nehushtan
jasoncurious Posted March 15, 2013 Author Posted March 15, 2013 So, even if the differential equation is not homogeneous, we can use y=u*v as well? This is howthe solution starts: yy'=x^3+(y^2)/x Let y=vx dy/dx=v+x dv/dx Then the rest is substitution.
Nehushtan Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 (edited) yy'=x^3+(y^2)/x Let y=vx dy/dx=v+x dv/dx Then the rest is substitution. No, [latex]y=vx[/latex] doesn’t work here. Did you find the integrating factor I told you to find earlier in the thread? In other words, multiply the expression [latex]2yy'-\frac2xy^2[/latex] by a function [latex]u(x)[/latex] of [latex]x[/latex] only such that [latex]u(x)\cdot2yy'-u(x)\frac2xy^2\,=\,\frac{\mathrm d}{\mathrm dx}\!\left(u(x)y^2\right)[/latex] [latex]u(x)[/latex] is called an integrating factor. (Hint for finding it: Clearly you want [latex]u'=-\frac2xu[/latex].) When you’ve found [latex]u(x)[/latex], the substitution you require for the original problem should be obvious. Edited March 15, 2013 by Nehushtan
jasoncurious Posted March 16, 2013 Author Posted March 16, 2013 y=vxdy/dx=v+x dv/dxvx(v+x dv/dx)=x^3+(v^2 x^2)/xv^2*x+vx^2 dv/dx=x^3+v^2*xEliminate the v^2*x:vx^2 dv/dx=x^3Divide both sides with x^2:v dv/dx=xvdv=xdxContinue the integration:y^2=x^2(x^2+c), where c is a constant
jasoncurious Posted March 17, 2013 Author Posted March 17, 2013 I thought the d.e has to be in the form of dy/dx+P(x)y=Q(x) for integrating factor to be implemented?
Nehushtan Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 (edited) Well, it looks like your substitution works perfectly after all. I must have made a careless mistake and didn’t get the [latex]v^2x[/latex] to cancel, ending up by going through a slightly more complicated path to solve the ODE. Just as well you didn’t take my advice. Edited March 17, 2013 by Nehushtan
jasoncurious Posted March 18, 2013 Author Posted March 18, 2013 I saw my friend solving it using Bernoulli equation, guess everything is possible in mathematics 1
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