UFO/ET Phenomenon

[Bignose]

Uh...I NEVER defended, posted, referenced or even thought about talking about Superluminal ANYTHING.

 

This just shows me how little attention you have paid to what is posted here as well as your ability to make assumptions about members.

 

Split Infinity

You stood up to use your knowledge of physics to defend the OP. All I did was ask you to follow through with that. No need to take it personally.

 

Gravity is NOT A FORCE

... then I see posts like this. And I have my doubts about your self-claimed knowledge. Freshman physics is going to need a major re-write. Again, assuming that you can provide extraordinary evidence to support this extraordinary claim.

[Klaynos]

I may not have understood your statement, but from what I understood, I’m going to ask again, if some devices were manufactured out of meteorites by whomever, why did they end up in people’s bodies suddenly after they get up from their sleep? WHO put them in their bodies while they were sleeping? How about the strange, grayish biological substance covering the implants, which apparently rendered no inflammations in their bodies? How about the fact that there were no entry wounds? How do you explain those?

 

Just because you cannot explain something doesn't mean you jump to an answer that is pretty much pulled out of the air.

 

 

It is far more sensible to say "I do not know" which implies more information is needed and should be tried to be obtained than just go "ET did it" or "god did it". It's an ET of the gaps, (google "god of the gaps") for filling in unknown information with your own ideas. It's not scientific.

 

Having no evidence for the origins is NOT evidence for ET. It is merely evidence that you (nor I) know what the origins are.

[ResistETIntervention]

In disputing the reality of the phenomenon, some statements have recurred in the thread:

• anecdotal evidences are not scientific approach
• the presence of the ET Intervention is an unproved conclusion
• superluminal speed is not possible because of a physics theory which precludes it

Suppose an earthquake of magnitude 7.5 on the Richter Scales occurred, which was videotaped and covered by the media extensively, and studied in depth by geologists at the epicenter (the area of the earth’s surface directly above the place of origin, or focus, of an earthquake) after the effect. If those who did not experience the incident relied only on geologists’ findings, can they really conceive what sort of damages such earthquakes can have on human civilization? Surely scientific approach does not disregard people’s experiences. In the absence of human beings’ experiences of any earthquakes (say, because they occur only in remote places away from all human civilizations and do not affect human beings in any way), would it be even necessary for geologists’ to study them? So testimonies of those who experienced it, findings of geologists, and even the media coverage all help people understand the incident, learn from it, and work to discover preventative measures (constructing buildings that could withstand earthquakes, e.g.,), prepare for earthquakes, and learn the survival skills in such events, etc. Taking actions certainly cannot occur, if people deny the reality of earthquakes by rejecting anecdotal experiences, geologists’ findings, and the media coverage, etc.

 

In the case of the UFO/ET phenomenon, testimonies of those who sighted UFOs/extraterrestrial spaceships or experienced abduction by ETs are particularly important and even crucial because of the nature of the phenomenon. The ETs have traveled a vast distance humanity cannot even imagine is possible by the science and technology that are known to us. They possess aerial vehicles that can maneuver in ways that seem to defy physics laws. These extraterrestrials are clearly more advanced technologically than human beings. However, their strength lies not in technology, but in their skills to manipulate and persuade in the mental environment, the environment of thought and mental influence. While sightings of UFOs and extraterrestrial spaceships all over the world indicate global invasion by extraterrestrials, abductees’ testimonies and physical implants found in their bodies followed by their abduction episodes verify and confirm their covert invasion into human societies with sinister intentions.

 

Many here repeatedly stated that the phenomenon is an unproved conclusion based on sightings of mere lights behaving strangely in the sky. However, that is ignorance resulting from not delving into the subject at all. They can find plenty of conclusive evidences, if they are willing to do further research into the topic. There is enough information in this thread alone to start on. This is not the time to be squabbling over every word stated, in an attempt to reject the reality of the whole phenomenon based on it. Such behavior is injudicious at best, but more like juvenile. In order to see the phenomenon clearly and objectively, we need to stop such immature behaviors first.

 

We must also realize that old scientific theories can be and have been discarded in favor of new theories. The simple fact that our current technology cannot enable performing experiments which provide counterexamples to a theory doesn’t indicate that the theory is an absolute truth. It is an ignorant stance to claim that “This theory precludes an object from traveling at superluminal speeds,” when there are observed evidences which indicate otherwise. A more intelligent response would be that “In light of such evidences and the phenomenon itself, we must reevaluate such theories.” This is what the CERN lab was built for.

 

Demanding scientific evidences from individuals that they know lack the access to high-tech equipment necessary to observe and collect data is absurd at best. Rejecting the data collected by those who do have the access to high-tech equipment will continue to keep oneself in the dark about the phenomenon that could potentially have a permanent, devastating consequence to humanity as a whole. We must recognize that, in terms of scientific methods regarding the phenomenon, most of us are at the first step, observing and hypothesizing, because the current science and technology known to us simply aren’t advanced enough yet. This is the reason that abductees’ testimonies and implants found in their bodies become crucial evidence of the phenomenon. Unreasonable demand from other people to provide evidences or adamant refusal to accept even scientific evidences collected is an utterly incorrect stance now.

 

We live at a time when we must reevaluate many of our beliefs in light of the Extraterrestrial Intervention. Our minds refuse to believe that extraterrestrials are present in our world because

• we are used to being the preeminent beings on this planet;
• we are used to regarding ourselves as very intelligent;
• we are used to thinking that our science and technology are highly advanced;
• we are used to thinking from the anthropocentric perspective;
• we, in this culture particularly, do not want to believe that there are other entities that can potentially destroy us and that we are perhaps completely helpless in the situation.

It humbles us and renders us to realize that we must first correct such attitudes in order to face this reality. Some will attempt to hold on to old theories and refuse to accept the experiences of people and even results obtained by scientists, with some vapid excuses. Some will derogate and lash out at those who are aware of the phenomenon, because they themselves simply cannot face the reality of the phenomenon itself. Even the attempts to explain the phenomenon scientifically will be based on new unfounded theories and conjectures. There will be a lot of disputes, disagreements, arguments, and even squabbles against each other’s stances regarding the phenomenon. The phenomenon will seem to shake the foundations of systems of beliefs that people have been upholding; and I don’t mean just in science. It will engender conflicts within oneself as well as among each other during this uncertain transition from pre-phenomenon to beyond.

 

Can we be truly honest and have the integrity enough to face the phenomenon reevaluating our beliefs, willing to correct our stances, and observing objectively without preferences or fears? If you truly understood the circumstance humanity is faced now, you can’t afford not to.

 

 

[by Moontanman] Ok let's say you are in fact correct, EBE's are visiting us, abducting us in their sleep, we can't fight them because they can control our own weapons to the point of making them useless... What does this admission of yes they are here get us? What can we do about such powerful foes?

 

These extraterrestrials do possess technology many thousands of years more advanced than that of human beings. If you consider how much advancement humanity has had in science and technology in the past century, or even in the past few decades, then you can gauge the difference in the levels of our technology and theirs. Yet, that is not even their advantage over us, but their sophisticated skills to manipulate and persuade people’s thoughts. We are quite adept at functioning in the physical environment, but most people are not aware of the mental environment in which we live, even though we constantly influence each other with our thoughts. There is much to learn about these extraterrestrials: about their strengths, weaknesses, what restricts them, the methods they employ, their activities in our world, reasons for their activities, life in the universe, etc. They may seem invincible only to those people who believe that defeating adversaries is possible only with more advanced technology and armaments than the foes. This is not the case. That is not to say, we trivialize their skills and technology, for that would be imprudent. What we need is an education about them and the preparation to deal with them.

Edited March 26, 2013 by ResistETIntervention

[pwagen]

Okay, so, which part of the reports suggests that the samples are definitely extra terrestrial?

[CaptainPanic]

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[swansont]

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