Suicide could be murder

[Popcorn Sutton]

If you accept that we are machines, then you accept that we are at least mostly programmed by our environment, and probably even more so by language.

 

If someone gets input that prompts them to act a certain way, then there is a person involved in the behavior, and their weapon was their words....

 

Another attempted suicide prompted me to post.

 

There needs to be an established and reliable solution to abuse, physical or mental (like theres any difference).

[lassez]

There can be a situation when a person is forced to suicide by mistake or foolishness.

If some people believe that they know the reason why some one is suicidal, but there ideas about the reason is more based on there own way of thinking.

Then it can happen that they, instead of helping the suicidal, forces him to the suicide.

Think it happens in sects, where the sect members are so indoctrinated to think in their own narrow way, that they believe the suicidals problems depends on that they does not live in there way that they believe is the way he aught to live.

If the suicidal is struggling against being bullied by people that are trying to push there thoughts on him.

Then the attempts to rescue will only worsen the problem, and in worst case force him to suicide.

There can be a situation when a person is forced to suicide by mistake or foolishness.

If some people believe that they know the reason why some one is suicidal, but there ideas about the reason is more based on there own way of thinking.

Then it can happen that they, instead of helping the suicidal, forces him to the suicide.

Think it happens in sects, where the sect members are so indoctrinated to think in their own narrow way, that they believe the suicidals problems depends on that they does not live in there way that they believe is the way he aught to live.

If the suicidal is struggling against being bullied by people that are trying to push there thoughts on him.

Then the attempts to rescue will only worsen the problem, and in worst case force him to suicide.

[Popcorn Sutton]

 

Think it happens in sects, where the sect members are so

indoctrinated to think in their own narrow way, that they believe the

suicidals problems depends on that they does not live in there way that

they believe is the way he aught to live.

If the suicidal is struggling against being bullied by people that are trying to push there thoughts on him.

Then the attempts to rescue will only worsen the problem, and in worst case force him to suicide.

I have seen it happen in families where the son is actually being bullied

by the parents and even the grandparents. These people are so off the

wall that the way they act indirectly hurts other people because the son

cannot meet his needs so he consistently asks others to help. This

pisses off a lot of people because now those people, who are not family

and only friends, are not only giving away leisures to the victim, but

the victim is also asking for food, shelter, drinks to keep him

hydrated, and to top it all off, the person (who I consider the victim

in this case) is also stealing from the people that do care for him so

he can sell or take what he gets for later. He goes home and Mom wonders

where he has been. They get into a fight and Mom says "You should just

kill yourself, you'd be doing us all a big favor." This, in my opinion,

is murder. The son goes off and cuts his arms all up. This is not the

only bad behavior happening in that house either, I've gone over there

once and he asked Grandpa if I could come in, Grandpa looked at me, said

"No", and closed the door. There has also been other times where his

mom calls me up bitching over the phone to bring him home because he

needs to come home. It got so bad that I told his mom that I wasn't

going to contact him anymore on her behalf and that I wasn't going to

make it known when she had made an effort to contact him. I've heard too

many stories of abuse in that household and I don't doubt that it has

been going on for years. He's told me stories of when he was a kid and

almost got kidnapped, ran home, told his step mom what had happened

where she decided that she was going to call him a liar and have dad

beat him. I've witnessed what this family does to him first hand and he

is really a kind and gentle, intelligent, loving person. However, he is

extremely unlucky to be born into that environment because I know that

if I were him, I probably would have grown to be the same way.

Part of me is remorseful for saying those things to his mother, and

afterwards she proceeded to abuse me and tell me what a loser I am, that

I am a joke, and whatever else she said, only because I know that it

caused another fight between her and her son, but I couldn't help myself

and I would probably do the same thing again if I had the chance. This

family is so dysfunctional in my opinion, their son, who is otherwise a

perfectly good person, cannot meet his needs, and mooches off of others

whenever possible (and often, it is necessary).

Put some food in your fridge and tell your kids that you love them, is that

too much to ask? Life will be much much better for both of you.

I do not believe that attempts to rescue the victim will always worsen

the problem, especially if the victim is treated for his mental health

individually and confidentially. However, if someone attempts to rescue

the victim, but does not give them an option to leave the place that

they live in, and also gets involved with the parents, then yes it can

make the problem worse (as if the problem is not bad enough, it may just

be the case that it stays the same).

Edited June 21, 2013 by Popcorn Sutton