Touchdown on Saturn's Moon

[coquina]

It's coming on live on the Science Channel at 9pm EST - is anyone else gonna be watching?

[noz92]

I am. I put a news thread about this in the news forum.

[toni]

Some people may disagree with what I have to say but 3billion was spent on this mission, we have a good picture of Titan in space, a few abstract landscape and surface pictures of rocks but are it really worth it?

 

A lot more pictures and data is going to be announced eventually but come on 3billion is a bit much for what it's worth, at least on Mars they had the land rovers but of course this mission was sent 7 years ago and the technology has advanced even further in every way. With that amount of money you could have built a few hundred hospitals across the poorest parts of the world.

 

Ok they might find some kind of primitive bacteria, what about the life on earth scientists and politicians? are they not worth saving? It just seems that our greed and self-praise for some dust results and 'what ifs' is greater than the caring hand in saving dying people.

 

To be honest I’m a creationist and I know about evolution theories and geographical, carbon dating and big bang theories but that is really not enough, you need more faith in that than in God, at least that has an explanation with a beginning and an end as in the Bible. In some ways if science does find some so called evidence of life other than earth then it might unite all religions together and bring peace of some kind, well maybe, it could spark off wars too. Evolutionists did not succeed as seen from the religions today. From a Christian point of view, bringing a one world order and globalisation means signs of birth pains before Christ returns. (Do some research to get the full picture.)?

I would not mind a one-world order with the intention of peace, we all want that. But it will not turn out that way with our big brother technology.

 

On to space again would the Europa moon have been more exiting to visit with its icy ocean surface? And why do they not send more space probes at once to the same moons and planets, like have four probes or land rovers, one on each pole and opposite east and west equators? That should bring more data and understanding for a place like Titan. If they get to Europe they should have a drilling craft like in James Cameron's latest documentary/movie 'Aliens of the deep' for example where a machine cuts into the ice and into the moon's ocean, if they are sure they exist, they could be wrong as science usually corrects it self all the time or draws a blank.

Trust me they will not find a grain of life else where, it will not happen and if it does then I will question its authenticity like the Mars meteorite on earth which on earth could have contaminated it and still question is it from Mars?

 

There is a lot of propaganda in science in funding exploration and for government help in funding so keep your ears open people get the full picture.

 

A lot of science denies God's existence, historians and archaeologists and geologists have a lot of evidence but you will never hear of it in the news, all you will hear is there might be life on Mars and now Titan. Its very exiting and I’m not watering down this mission's success and glory its nice to hear it goes down well to distract from politics. We should have a vote on where 3billion should go, Titan or poor dying people that wonder if they might find if their life is going to end because the world can not get together a structure to help these people in Africa. Sorry people I love space too but a lot of space is building up in people's stomachs too. Hope I've not made any enemies out of this I like to hear about Titan too.

[Klaynos]

"Some people may disagree with what I have to say but 3billion was spent on this mission, we have a good picture of Titan in space, a few abstract landscape and surface pictures of rocks but are it really worth it?"

 

Before this mission we DID NOT have a good picture of Titan in space due to a dust cloud in it's atmosphere, we had some indications as to some constituantes of the atmosphere. But $3.3 billion was an awfull lot of money to spend on one space probe, but what has the war in iraq cost?

 

"A lot more pictures and data is going to be announced eventually but come on 3billion is a bit much for what it's worth, at least on Mars they had the land rovers but of course this mission was sent 7 years ago and the technology has advanced even further in every way. With that amount of money you could have built a few hundred hospitals across the poorest parts of the world."

 

Land rovers would not have been able to give us the pictures in the air like the probe did, we did not know what the surface was going to be like so "landrovers" might have landed on liquid methane. Space technology doesn't really advance that fast as it has to be reliable more than anything else, the solar panels would not have been able to work sufficiently economically enough to produce enough power to sustain rovers. Alot of money is spent on aid for places possibly not enough.

 

"Ok they might find some kind of primitive bacteria, what about the life on earth scientists and politicians? are they not worth saving? It just seems that our greed and self-praise for some dust results and 'what ifs' is greater than the caring hand in saving dying people."

 

I recomend you think about global warming and never use any electrical device or anything else remotly modern again, as this is arguably the greatest threat to man on earth, other than them just killing each other.

 

"To be honest I’m a creationist and I know about evolution theories and geographical, carbon dating and big bang theories but that is really not enough, you need more faith in that than in God, at least that has an explanation with a beginning and an end as in the Bible. In some ways if science does find some so called evidence of life other than earth then it might unite all religions together and bring peace of some kind, well maybe, it could spark off wars too. Evolutionists did not succeed as seen from the religions today. From a Christian point of view, bringing a one world order and globalisation means signs of birth pains before Christ returns. (Do some research to get the full picture.)?

I would not mind a one-world order with the intention of peace, we all want that. But it will not turn out that way with our big brother technology."

 

No comment.

 

"On to space again would the Europa moon have been more exiting to visit with its icy ocean surface?"

 

One reason why Titan was picked as we had indications that it's atmosphere is very similar to early earth, but in your mind early earth doesn't exist as it's only a few thousand years old.

 

"And why do they not send more space probes at once to the same moons and planets, like have four probes or land rovers, one on each pole and opposite east and west equators? That should bring more data and understanding for a place like Titan. If they get to Europe they should have a drilling craft like in James Cameron's latest documentary/movie 'Aliens of the deep' for example where a machine cuts into the ice and into the moon's ocean, if they are sure they exist, they could be wrong as science usually corrects it self all the time or draws a blank."

 

Because that costs alot, their are limited landing spots on other planets that we can have a high probability of firstly actually hitting and secondly knowing about. Havn't seen it, but sounds resonable, just the problem of solar panels not working down a several km hole in ice. Science is all about hypothocists, and theories, we evolvolve and change our theories as our understanding changes that is one of the big advantages of science over religian we admit we where wrong and move on with our new understanding, do not look for some results from understanding in something, find the results then look for understanding in it, you are far more likely to be correct.

 

"Trust me they will not find a grain of life else where, it will not happen and if it does then I will question its authenticity like the Mars meteorite on earth which on earth could have contaminated it and still question is it from Mars?"

 

The probability of us finding it is very limited due to the size of the universe, it takes years for light to travel between us and the nearest star, we won't travel that in our lifetimes.

 

"There is a lot of propaganda in science in funding exploration and for government help in funding so keep your ears open people get the full picture."

 

Depends who you listen to, talk to, and where you're from.

 

"A lot of science denies God's existence, historians and archaeologists and geologists have a lot of evidence but you will never hear of it in the news, all you will hear is there might be life on Mars and now Titan. Its very exiting and I’m not watering down this mission's success and glory its nice to hear it goes down well to distract from politics. We should have a vote on where 3billion should go, Titan or poor dying people that wonder if they might find if their life is going to end because the world can not get together a structure to help these people in Africa. Sorry people I love space too but a lot of space is building up in people's stomachs too. Hope I've not made any enemies out of this I like to hear about Titan too."

 

Science aims to find out facts, if in doing that it proves some hypothosys (in this case god) to be incorrect then that be it, but if it does not then fine, I do not see why science and modern religian cannot live side by side.

 

Yes all the media is interested in is flashy exciting science, give them a fusion reactor that could cure all the worlds energy problems and stop us being obsessed by oil and therefore let us get on with helping people without the fact we invade places for oil, and they wont listen. Give them flashy lights and every media company in the world will be clambering on top of you.

 

I would not dislike you because of this post everyone is allowed their view point and I quite like hearing other peoples...

[Martin]

I am. I put a news thread about this in the news forum.

 

I see you have a nerdly slogan in Greek for your sig

 

ey gnosey eenai dünamey

 

(the) knowledge is power

 

life might be better if that were closer to the truth

(like if the school system did an adequate job educating voters)

[us.2u]

I believe everyone is entitled to how they see things but for my opinion all I've seen from the religious sector are extreme indifferences; leading to war terrorism hunger & death, in my opinion I feel that is so sad yet in the interest of science & progress I believe the quality of peace & understanding will prevail...irrespective of cost... & peace understanding & a unison of scientific explorations I fully believe may help bring us to an agreed understanding of mankind. Looking at history and the various demononations of religion isn't it sad they're all not agreed on peace & love for each other? rather than arguing,fighting,killing for whose religion is right? Long live science!

[Ophiolite]

toni, in his post, essentially asks us to lay side by side two photographs and ask which deserves our money. One is the surface of a strange world, the other a starving child - a stranger in a strange land.

Frankly, both make me weep. The first with joy at the wonder of such discoveries and those aspects of human intellect and spirit that have made them possible. The second in despair at how much we have yet to achieve.

How do we choose between them? Exploration or the elimination of poverty? I believe, if we are to remain true to our humanity, we must choose both.

[us.2u]

Opholite I must agree with you but I do believe if advancement of intellect should cease we would open ourselves up to more grief with the advancement of science medications & new concepts of understanding how we work have lessened our suffering & who knows even space exploration may indeed conttibute to less suffering eventually but you are so right in seeing Toni's pictures & seeing the beauty of discovery & the pain of hunger & death; I only genuinely hope that by or with the advancement of science & exploration there lies an answer.

[Martin]

coquina, noz, and everybody,

 

thanks for the heads-up! (noz put in a news item)

this link has a lot of pictures and information

 

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/main/index.html

 

It may have been posted in some other thread, but I dont see it here so I'm tossing it in just in case.

[noz92]

That wasn't quite what I was expecting when they had the commercials about it. I was expecting them to show what Huygens was transmiting to us.