Externet Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 Hi. Not a subject I know enough about. One kilogram of typical spent nuclear fuel; as put aside to cool and later to storage by the energy industry, if had to be used to warm-up a dwelling in winter... How many Watts would produce for how long? ( If its radioactivity was properly and safely contained, only releasing safe heat, in a world populated with only good angels and no risk of falling onto crooked minds )
Moontanman Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 WOW! This brings back old memories of pro nuclear forum that had plans they put up on how to build a stove out of nuclear waste or use it as a source. Ten years ago at least, I have looked all over my favs list but I'll keep looking. If I remember correctly it wasn't a really large lump of spent waste, maybe a cubic foot or so... Just a cubic foot in every home in america.. it wasn't a bad idea....
EdEarl Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 Maybe not a bad idea for retrofitting existing homes, but new homes can be built to use solar heat with nearly zero other other energy needed. Air conditioning is another issue not addressed by either spent nuclear or solar for heat. Both can generate electricity, of course.
swansont Posted July 16, 2013 Posted July 16, 2013 from http://jol.liljenzin.se/KAPITEL/CH21NY3.PDF At 1 day, it's 193 W/kg of Uranium (though the enrichment detail is not given) at 90 days, 30 W/kg at 180 days 19 W/kg at 1 year, 10.8W/kg at 5 years, 2.1 W/kg That's a combination of fission product decay and the actinides formed from neutron absorption
Externet Posted July 16, 2013 Author Posted July 16, 2013 Thanks. With those small figures, it is not worth the trouble at all. Good for puttting the speculative question to rest; shows that solar collectors on a roof are far better choice; and that the nuclear industry is doing the proper action in guarding and putting away the spent material.
Enthalpy Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 One plant in China uses residual heat to distribute hot water to homes. Which is not something I'd like to see everywhere, due to the obvious risks made worse by the connecting pipes. Many people are tempted by the residual heat of fission waste after the elements are separated, especially strontium 90. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strontium-90 Some radioisotopic thermal generators (RTG) were built in the Soviet Union using 90Sr. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator Though, it emits gamma rays, by bremsstrahlung and by the beta emission of the daughter 90Y, as opposed to the painstakingly produced 238Pu which is a pure alpha emitter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutonium-238 These 90Sr RTG were used to power remote lighthouses and they created accidents, for instance two Siberian hunters who slept near one for warmth and died few days later. One Lunar exploration programme by South Korea plans to use a 90Sr-powered generator, and frankly, I would not use an RTG on the Moon. Risks before and during launch are just too big; Solar panels work well on the Moon. There are supposedly reasons like operation during the long night, but I'd choose differently. Probes have used Sunlight at the asteroid belt recently; our Moon is 6 times easier.
NATO Posted August 20, 2013 Posted August 20, 2013 I'm pro nuclear. Sure it's dangerous when things go wrong, but so is air travel. As long as you don't forget the dangers, it's an amazing power sourse.
Enthalpy Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 An aeroplane crash doesn't need to evacuate a province for centuries. The designers at Westinghouse (Fukushima's technology) did not forget the dangers; it's nuclear power that's inherently too dangerous. We have cheaper power sources, so "not forget the danger" means "don't make it".
imatfaal Posted September 12, 2013 Posted September 12, 2013 ! Moderator Note NATO & Enthalpy. The safety of nuclear power per se is offtopic - please do not continue in this vein.
J.C.MacSwell Posted September 13, 2013 Posted September 13, 2013 Thanks. With those small figures, it is not worth the trouble at all. Good for puttting the speculative question to rest; shows that solar collectors on a roof are far better choice; and that the nuclear industry is doing the proper action in guarding and putting away the spent material. Well...those small figures represent a lot of energy per kg. Compare it with wood, oil or propane. If it really was safe it would be worthwhile.
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