Ancient Egyptians and pyramids......evidence?

[Windevoid]

I didn't see a history category, so I decided to post this here.

 

How much evidence is there that the Ancient Egyptians built the pyramids?

 

I think there was a cartouche written, but I heard someone say this may have been faked.

 

Did the Ancient Egyptians record the pyramids' building anywhere?

[cladking]

There is ample evidence that the Egyptians were in the area at the time the great pyramids were built likely between about 2900 and 2730 BC. It's a virtual certainty that Khufu (or an actual individual we know by that name) was the Egyptian king at the time that The Great Pyramid was built around 2750 BC. Traditional dating places this a little later but it's impossible to convert ancient Egyptian dating to our dating at this time and C14 dating suggests it's a little older.

 

I doubt the actual Egyptians on site would agree with the contention that they built it. Every indication is they gave the bulk of the credit to the "neters" for the construction. They used the term "neter" to refer to natural phenomena as determined through the context of what they actually wrote. The word appears to be mistakingly translated as "god" since that time. In their language "neter" was actually a colloquial term for "aspect of nature" and terms were selected to determine meaning rather than word meaning being determined by context as in our language. All "aspects of nature" were anthropomorphized to show their relationships and natures.

 

Egyptology is essentially a belief system founded on the assumptions that the ancient Egyptians were changeless and superstitious people who built tombs by dragging stones up ramps. These assumptions have been debunked except it is not yet established that they were not superstitious. As soon as real science is done anywhere in the region the pyramids were built, it will be established they were not superstitious as well.

 

 

I think there was a cartouche written, but I heard someone say this may have been faked.

 

Did the Ancient Egyptians record the pyramids' building anywhere?

 

 

It's somewhat improbable the cartouches are fake and are not central to the argument that "Khufu" was king. They are simply further corroboration. At one time they were critically important to the argument and it is known that the finder had the means and motives to fake them.

 

The ancient Egptians recorded the pyramid construction everywhere but most of it is misinterpreted and misunderstood.

Edited August 1, 2013 by cladking

[Windevoid]

There is ample evidence that the Egyptians were in the area at the time the great pyramids were built likely between about 2900 and 2730 BC. It's a virtual certainty that Khufu (or an actual individual we know by that name) was the Egyptian king at the time that The Great Pyramid was built around 2750 BC. Traditional dating places this a little later but it's impossible to convert ancient Egyptian dating to our dating at this time and C14 dating suggests it's a little older.

 

I doubt the actual Egyptians on site would agree with the contention that they built it. Every indication is they gave the bulk of the credit to the "neters" for the construction. They used the term "neter" to refer to natural phenomena as determined through the context of what they actually wrote. The word appears to be mistakingly translated as "god" since that time. In their language "neter" was actually a colloquial term for "aspect of nature" and terms were selected to determine meaning rather than word meaning being determined by context as in our language. All "aspects of nature" were anthropomorphized to show their relationships and natures.

 

Egyptology is essentially a belief system founded on the assumptions that the ancient Egyptians were changeless and superstitious people who built tombs by dragging stones up ramps. These assumptions have been debunked except it is not yet established that they were not superstitious. As soon as real science is done anywhere in the region the pyramids were built, it will be established they were not superstitious as well.

 

 

It's somewhat improbable the cartouches are fake and are not central to the argument that "Khufu" was king. They are simply further corroboration. At one time they were critically important to the argument and it is known that the finder had the means and motives to fake them.

 

The ancient Egptians recorded the pyramid construction everywhere but most of it is misinterpreted and misunderstood.

Where did they record it and how? I never heard or seen these other evidences at school nor on PBS.

[EdEarl]

Lots of evidence has been found, including remains of an encampment where the builders lived and remains in quarries. The encampments had barracks, bakeries, breweries, and kitchens to support many thousands of workers. Quarries have remains showing techniques used for quarrying, including evidence of machines used to cut slabs.

 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramids_of_Giza

[cladking]

Lots of evidence has been found, including remains of an encampment where the builders lived and remains in quarries. The encampments had barracks, bakeries, breweries, and kitchens to support many thousands of workers. Quarries have remains showing techniques used for quarrying, including evidence of machines used to cut slabs.

 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramids_of_Giza

 

 

 

This is essentially untrue and shows the tremendous speculation and interpretation involved with all theories concerning construction and especially the orthodox assumptions about construction. There is what is most probably a "builders' village" nearby (SE of G2) where the workmen for both G1 and G2 lived but this town is far too tiny to support the number of workers who are speculated to have been involved in building and operating ramps. The area is in the center of this photo and is not so much larger than the soccer fields to the east. It is some 500' by 900' and would support only several hundred office workers today;

 

http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=29.969398&lon=31.139803&z=17&m=bs

 

Yet this tiny town is supposed to have held not only the tens of thousands necessary to move stone but also the quarry workers, the wives and children and the supplies and tools to work. The workers cemetery has equal numbers of men and women suggesting there was comparable amounts of men and womens work and they were equally safe (few skeletons show trauma and those that do indicate high level medical care). This is absolutely inconsistent with the absurd notion that any muscle based system was in place.

 

The problem is that clues are sparse and that the clues that do exist do not support orthodox assumptions.

Where did they record it and how? I never heard or seen these other evidences at school nor on PBS.

 

The ancient culture left exceedingly few records. The little that survived came primarily from tombs leading to a sort of "sample error" in our understanding. To complicate matters the one piece of writing that survives from the era eventually evolved and changed into a book of magic for people many centuries later so Egyptologists take this work to be a book of magic and to extrapolate from that that the people were highly superstitious. While the later works and culture are well understood and well documented there is simply an assumption that the older book must mean the same thing despite the fact it has no apparent meaning; it appears to be mere gobblety gook and contradicts itself and reality when parsed using modern understanding. It has proven impossibler to date to learn anything about the culture from this source and all the scepters and iconms are still unknown. No aspect of the "relgion" has been positively shown to exist. In other words these people are said to be moribound with religion but we know nothing at all of the religion except what's derived or extrapolated from many centuries later. ( I can't create a new paragraph) (paragraph) I believe that everything they did and said including their artwork all depicts or is related to pyramid building. Their neters were derived from the natural processes that were used to build pyramids. This culture was very very alive and this zest for life even carried over into their burial practices and is mistaken for religion. The people were a force of nature and a part of nature. They wouldn't understand a concept like "man made" because mans' work was nature's work. They would say "by the hands of Thot" to express the concept but this isn't identical to "man made" because the hands of Thot would necessarily involve other aspects of nature as well. "Thot" is merely "human progress" and is not man or men. (paragraph) Each neter must be understood to appreciate the culture.

[EdEarl]

Quarries were at a totally different location. The encampment would not necessarily house entire families, since it was seasonal and workers would go home to work their farms during appropriate seasons.

 

If men did not construct the pyramids, what method with absolutely no evidence do you propose did create the pyramids.

[Windevoid]

Quarries were at a totally different location. The encampment would not necessarily house entire families, since it was seasonal and workers would go home to work their farms during appropriate seasons.

 

If men did not construct the pyramids, what method with absolutely no evidence do you propose did create the pyramids.

Men that weren't Egyptian. Maybe men of a society advanced enough to easily build the thing and had a reason to build it.

 

After all, don't Egyptians cover their tombs with paint and writing and pictures of gods and daily life?

I guess that for these Giza pyramids, there might have been men that weren't Egyptian. Maybe men of a society advanced enough to easily build the thing and had a reason to build it.

 

After all, don't Egyptians cover their tombs with paint and writing and pictures of gods and daily life?

[cladking]

Quarries were at a totally different location. The encampment would not necessarily house entire families, since it was seasonal and workers would go home to work their farms during appropriate seasons.

 

 

 

There were two primary quarries on site for G1 (the Great Pyramid). The main quarry was due south and horseshoe shaped with the ends pointed up toward the pyramid. It's probable that around 70% of the weight (6 1/2 million tons) of the pyramid came from this quarry with much of this placed near the bottom and hoisted by a counterweight at the NE corner that ran down the cliff face. This was a 300' run and the basis of historical accounts that say stones "flew" to the pyramids 300' at a time. There was also a quarry at and around the Sphinx. About 25% of the weight came from here. These stones were pulled up from the quarry by the eastern cliff face counterweights that pulled stone due north from this region on the east side of the so called queens pyramids. These were pulled to the so called causeway and transported through the saw works on the east side to the center and then lifted straight up the pyramid one step at a time. The remaing 5% was primarily imported from across the river at the Turah Quarry but was imported from all over Egypt and even materials came in from far flung places such as Nubia and Lebanon. There may have been wood imported from the west since trees grew in low lying areas up until shortly before great pyramid building began. There is evidence that Khufu himself took expeditions to the west supposedly to secure "mefat" (mfkzt) which is supposedly red ochre. This is highly improbable because there were substantial red ochre deposits at Elephantine Island which were far more easily accessed.

 

Very little science has been done in identifying the specific quarries from which stone came and this can be difficult to determine. These estimates are largely based on scant information and a lot of deduction. There was extensive technology employed to build these structures and Egypt had a very diverse and substantial economy drawing raw materials from far and wide and exporting paper, rope, and food. They had job titles such as "overseer of the metal shop" or 'weigher/ reckoner" rather than titles suggesting ramps or the use of brute force. Several products and materials are mentioned in the Pyramid Texts that aren't native to egypt and more exist in the record or as artefacts.

 

The work was apparently seasonal but it was eight to ten months so it's very unlikely many farmers were employed. Construction required only about 600 men and jobs were highly sought and awarded to the home town of those who had made improvements to the process. Of course substantial numbers of men were needed in the quarries, especially during the first couple years. This would be approximately 3,500 tapering to 300 by the end of the project. These men probably used temporary quarters such as tents in fair weather and were accomodated in the workmen's village during poor weather. There was also extensive work to tend to the workmen and their needs and this was done by another 600 women and dozens of scribes, clerks, and administrators. Gender was not strictly determinative to job assignments but most workers were men and are referred to as such. Most of the others were women.

 

 

If men did not construct the pyramids, what method with absolutely no evidence do you propose did create the pyramids.

 

The actual means used to build the pyramid is very extensively evidenced in the physical record as well as the actual culture and in the historical accounts. Indeed, everything points in a single direction and everything says that they used natural water pressure generated by a naturally carbonated water source to build. The fact is that none of this evidence is determinative or certain but in aggregate it makes a compelling case to supplant debunked ramps and the mysteries created by conventional theories.

 

Simply stated the "land of the west", "land of Horus", or "land of rainbows" where all of the great pyramids were built was a huge cold water geyser field. They learned over the centuries to control thjis water and to use its weight to lift stones. More simply stated they used water on top of the pyramid under construction to fill counterweights that became heavier than the stones attached to them at the bottom of the opposite side. The counterweight fell and twenty tons of stones flew to the top.

 

There is one piece of evidence that is fairly compelling and shows this process. This is the gravimatric scan that discloses that it is a five tep pyramid. It had to be five steps because they could lift stones only 81' 3" at a time since this was the height of the water column. The owners of the scanwon't allow me to put a grid on it proving it's five steps but these steps are highly visible even though misinterpreted.

 

http://hdbui.blogspot.com/

 

The fact is that all the physical evidence and all thecultural evidence fits this pattern. There is even a tiny ben ben stone growing on the primeval mound in the so-called Sphinx Temple today!!!

 

http://www.egyptiandawn.info/images/plates/small/7-62sup.jpg

 

(photo curtesy of Robert Temple)

 

http://www.egyptiandawn.info/chapter7.html

[cladking]

Men that weren't Egyptian. Maybe men of a society advanced enough to easily build the thing and had a reason to build it.

 

After all, don't Egyptians cover their tombs with paint and writing and pictures of gods and daily life?

I guess that for these Giza pyramids, there might have been men that weren't Egyptian. Maybe men of a society advanced enough to easily build the thing and had a reason to build it.

 

 

 

 

These were built by Egyptians sure enough but they were not the superstitious stumblebums that are always depicted but rather logical and highly intelligent scientists. Their science is wholly misinterpreted and mistranslated today. Where our science is founded on observation and experiment their's was based on observation and logic. Where few understand the modern metaphysics the ancient metaphysics was language itself! The people were thereby powerful and capable. I don't know if they descended from Atlanteans or were inspired by aliens but there is ample evidence that the people on site built these structures and that the people were Egyptians.

 

Almost everything we know comes from tombs so our perspective is kaleidoscopic and highly slanted but one of the things that decorated tombs can tell you is how these people were related. Even Khufu's brother is buried right next to the Great pyramid with inscriptions such as "brother of the king" and a statement that he wanted to be buried next to "Khufu's Horizon" (the pyramid). All these bodies appear to be and are consistent with what we believe to be the ancient Egyptians. So far as I know there are no anomalies in this regard. This sampling is highly biased as well because only the nobles and wealthy could afford large tombs with lots of painting and writing on them. Even some of these skeletons, like those of the common workers, exhibit signs of a lifetime of hard work.

Edited August 2, 2013 by cladking